1913-14 valuation rolls Glasgow

[Ketzel]

Does anyone know what the terms "arch" or "arches," "wall," and "ground" mean on valuation rolls?

Also, what can we conclude when a structure that appears in the 1901 census or in a 1902 photograph does not appear on the valuation roll in 1913-14?

[nelmit]

Does anyone know what the terms "arch" or "arches," "wall," and "ground" mean on valuation rolls?

Also, what can we conclude when a structure that appears in the 1901 census or in a 1902 photograph does not appear on the valuation roll in 1913-14?

Hi Ketzel,

It would help if you gave the full address or structure name.

We still have many arches in Glasgow - our railway is built over them and these days various premises are within them. A wee bit of the history here states that the station was widened beween 1901 and 1905.

Regards,
Annette

[Ketzel]

These questions refer to Bridgegate. My husband's great-grandmother lived at #36 between c. 1895 and 1906.

I can see why the "arches" at 98/94 Bridgegate would have numbers if they had shops within, but why would the "wall" at 46 Bridgegate have a number? And the "ground" at 46/44? The wall has a tenant and so does the ground.

Posted at Virtual Mitchell is a photo of 35-37 Bridgegate dated c. 1902, but that number doesn't appear in the valuation roll of 1913/14. Might that have been because the building was vacant? Or had been torn down? A lateral ancestor lived at #18 Jail Square in 1901, according to the census, but that number doesn't appear in 1913/14, either.

Thanks for your help! Elaine

[nelmit]

These are Valuation Rolls so show the owner of the land/property (or feu) and are based on the rateable value of the property. So (to try and put it simply) in this case the 'wall' was owned by the railway and rented to the billposter. If ever a house was built in that space that's the number it would be given. Very clumsy attempt at an explanation and I know there are others here who will be able to do it better but hopefully you'll get the idea.

I did notice that some of the land was owned by Glasgow Corporation Improvement Department so maybe they were doing just that!

This map from around 1895 of the area (north of the river) will give you an idea of where the arches would have been as it shows the railway line over the Bridgegate. You can see the start of Jail Square too.

Regards,
Annette

[Ketzel]

Thank you, Annette! Wonderful map. I'm having a struggle, though, trying to get to the east half of Bridgegate. 11-22 and 11-17 don't seem to connect to 11-21 and don't include (as far as I can see) Bridgegate. Help! What am I doing wrong?

Elaine

[nelmit]

Thank you, Annette! Wonderful map. I'm having a struggle, though, trying to get to the east half of Bridgegate. 11-22 and 11-17 don't seem to connect to 11-21 and don't include (as far as I can see) Bridgegate. Help! What am I doing wrong?

Elaine

If you look at 11.22 you will see Bridgegate written in the left hand margin and one street south the continuation of Jail Square.

Here is the overview http://maps.nls.uk/townplans/glasgow_2_centre.html

The maps can be found at http://www.nls.uk/

Regards,
Annette

[Ketzel]

Thanks very much, Annette. Sorry for being so stupid. Now I'm trying to figure out where #36 would have been on the map, using the 1913-14 valuation rolls as a guide. But there seem to be too many numbers to squish into the available space. I'm coming to the conclusion that a single building must have had several numbers, depending on how many shops were contained therein.

Best, Elaine

[nelmit]

Hi Elaine,

Best guess .................. map number 11.22 very top left corner and you'll see a narrow area. I think that is number 36 as it is the next along from the P.H. (public house on sheet 11.21) which would have been rented by Mrs Black. They have been replaced by modern flats now.

Our numbers haven't changed much through the years - just the buildings.

You can see how it looks today at Google Maps. Enter Bridgegate, Glasgow and look at the overview. St Margaret's Place is still named so but Market street is now Toll Court. Jail Square appears to be called Joycelyn Square now. Once you've got your bearings you can take a virtual walk from Bridgeagte, up St. Margaret's Place round by the High Court and down Toll Court and right opposite you'll see what I'm sure is the 'ground' no 46/44.

The south side of Bridgegate (or The Briggait as it's more fondly called) still has some of the arches standing today. You can have a look at them too on your virtuall tour.

Hope you can follow all that.

Regards,
Annette

[Ketzel]

Thanks, Annette!

I'm thinking that the footprint of the building next to the P.H. is too small to be #36. According to the valuation roll, #36 had 16 tenements (I'm picturing four floors with four flats each). I'm wondering if it could be the top four floors of the pub, which was numbered #40. The wall of the pub could be #46, which was rented by a bill poster, and the ground at 46/44 (where a building probably stood before the construction of the railway) could have been rented by a hawker. There is a photo by Thomas Annan dated 1899 which is titled "49 Bridgegate from Corner of Market Street." I'd post it here if I could figure out how, but you can find it on Virtual Mitchell. If 49 Bridgegate is the building to the right in the photo, then it's not impossible that #36 (the top floors of #40) would be the building on the left with all the advertising posters on its wall. It has four upper floors, each with four windows facing the street. Tillie Morgan's (my husband's great-grandmother's) census record in 1901 said her flat had two rooms with at least one window, which would fit, if her flat was one half the width of the building.

I wish I had access to earlier valuation rolls, say for 1896 and 1900, and then I might have corroboration (or refutation) of my theory.

I will definitely do the virtual tour, though it pains me that so much history in the way of buildings has vanished. (Of course, I didn't have to live in them.)

Best, Elaine

[nelmit]

This is a better picture. http://www.mitchelllibrary.org/virtualm ... =2&t=4&x=1

The women on the right are standng at the corner of Market Street. You can see the pub on the opposite side of the road so number 36 would be where the cab is.

The apartments would have spread over the pub but the close would be the wee bit with the crosses on the map to the right of it.

Our numbers go up in 2s with the odds and evens on either side.

Regards,
Annette

Later............I've just been looking at the Thomas Annan picture from my book at home and it looks like the photo has been taken from under the railway bridge with the 'ground' between there and the pub.