1841 and 1851 Census lookup .....

[stephlangan]

Hi

Just wondering if someone could do the following census look ups.

1841 Census

James and Grace Stevenson ( nee McCallum) for Glasgow - ages would be between 40 and 60 years old. Would like to determine if they are still alive

and

1851 Census

Thomas (b 1817) and Grace (b 1823) McEwen (nee Stevenson) for Glasgow ( possibly the Gorbals or Bridgeton) - Grace died sometime in 1851-

Hoping that somehow there is a young man living with them that goes by the name of Archibald, or some misspelling of that, who is about 25 years old in 1851.

Many thanks!!

Steph

[Jack]

Hi Steph,

Can't see anything "jumping out" for your family in 1841.
A more unusual occupation may help to identify your James (if still living).
But rather difficult to know if this Grace would be yours (again, if still living).
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1841 644-1 Ed 193 p 12 (Glasgow - College)
James STEVENSON 50

1841 644-1 Ed 36 p 13 (Glasgow - St. Enoch)
James STEVENSON 55
Mrs. STEVENSON 55

1841 622 Ed 197 p 17 (Barony - Shettleston)
Grace STEVENSON 45
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This looks like Thomas McEWAN in 1851 though -
but seems wife Grace has died by the census night of 30th/31st March.
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1851 cens 644-1 (535) Ed 9 p 15 (Glasgow City - St. George)
Margaret McEWAN, 19
Thomas McEWAN, 31
Robert McEWAN, 5
James McEWAN, 5
Grace McEWAN, abt 1
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And you'll have these from the IGI. Parents: THOMAS MCEWAN & GRACE STEVENSON

ROBERT MCEWEN Birth: 21 JUL 1845 - Christening: 17 AUG 1845 Gorbals, Lanark, Scotland
JAMES STEVENSON MCEWEN Birth: 21 JUL 1845 - Christening: 17 AUG 1845 Gorbals, Lanark, Scotland
JESSIE MCEWAN Birth: 06 APR 1847 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
GRACE MCEWAN Birth: 23 DEC 1850 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
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Jack

[stephlangan]

Jack

Thank you so much for that. I can only think that Archibald must have been in Ireland or England during the missing years. I think I will give up on him for a while.

That is definately the McEwen family though - shame about Grace. I have been able to find a website that is tracing the McEwen line and Grace is there - Thomas ended up having about 5 or 6 wives. over 10 children and almost out liived the lot until he finally died in 1901.

Have a great evening...thanks again for all your assistance!!!

Steph

[Jack]

Hi Steph,

Meant to ask you about that! - Archibald is a forename? surname McEWAN?

Jack

[stephlangan]

Hi Jack

I was shooting from the hip and hoping that Archibald Stevenson/Stevens would be living with his sister Grace ( now determined to be deceased) and brother in law Thomas McEwen and his name just recorded incorreclty in the census. It was wishful thinking but somehow I thought it was worth a shot.

Thanks again for your wonderful assistance.

Regards

Steph

[Jack]

Hi Steph,

I can only see 1 Archibald STEVEN(S) / STEVENSON in Glasgow 1851 near to what you need.
A 22yrd old with probable parents Peter 56 & Marion 50, and Marion 19, Peter 17.

So, sorry to say, not yours.

Jack

[stephlangan]

Hi Jack

I wouldn't rule that one out just yet. Does it give an occupation for Archibald?? Mine is a Blacmsmith Journeyman. You found him for me in 1841 as a Blackbmith apprentice living in Blythswood

I have been using the Archibald Stevenson born 1825 toi James and Grace as that is the only one I have been able to locate off of the OPRs or the LDS website. He was born in approimately the right yime to the marriage that I have.

Steph

[Jack]

Hi Steph,
I think we can safely rule out the Archibald with parents Peter (store keeper) & Marion STEVENSON.
This Archibald 22 (b Glasgow) is a tanner's clerk in 1851 & aged 32 as a glass bottle work manager in 1861.
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1881 Census Place: Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: 88 Stirling Road
Source: FHL Film 0203645 GRO Ref Volume 644-5 EnumDist 1 Page 22
Archibald C. STEVENSON M 52 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Glass Bottle Manufacturer Employing 50 Men 80 Boys
Jeanie STEVENSON M 52 F Auchniam, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife
Alexander STEVENSON U 26 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Traveller
Ann H. STEVENSON U 23 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur
David STEVENSON U 22 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Builder
James STEVENSON U 20 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Clerk
Agness STEVENSON U 18 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Jane STEVENSON U 18 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Mary STEVENSON U 13 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Hugh A. STEVENSON 10 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Elizabeth Mc K. STEVENSON 9 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Margret KESSLEY U 19 F Motherwell, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: General Serv
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But i think i might also be upsetting things as regards to Grace who died in early 1851.
Seems her mother might be JANET... note wee Charles McEWAN age 2yrs in 1851, and 12yrs in 1861.
Do you know for sure that Thomas McEWEN's wife Grace STEVENSON actually is the sister to your GGG-GF Archibald?
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1851 cens 644-2 (623) Ed 1 p 18 (Maryhill)
Woodside Priory, North Woodside Rd.
Janet STEVENSON, head, widow, 55, proprietor of houses, b Lanark, LKS
Margaret STEVENSON, daur, u/m 30, --------- b Glasgow, LKS
Janet STEVENSON, daur, u/m 23, --------- b Glasgow, LKS
James W.? / H.? STEVENSON, gr-son, 3, --- b Glasgow, LKS
Charles McEWAN, gr-son, 2, ------- b Glasgow, LKS
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1851 cens 644-1 (535) Ed 9 p 15 (St. Georges)
161 New City Rd.
Thomas McEWAN, head, widower, 37, muslin manufacturer, b Kirkton?, DFS [sic]
Robert McEWAN, son, 5, --------- b Glasgow, LKS
James McEWAN, son, 5, -------- b Glasgow, LKS
Grace McEWAN, daur, 3mos, ---- b Glasgow, LKS
Susan STEVENSON, sis-in-law, u/m 30, ------ b Glasgow, LKS
Isabella McINTYRE, nurse, u/m 20, ------- b Glasgow, LKS
&
1861 cens 644-7 Ed 32 p 9 (Milton)
18 West Cumberland St.
Thomas McEWEN, head, widower, 43, muslin manufacturer, b Kirkbean, KKD
Robert McEWEN, son, 15, ------------- b Glasgow, LKS
James S. McEWEN, son, 15, -------- b Glasgow, LKS
Charles McEWEN, son, 12, --------- b Glasgow, LKS
Grace T. McEWEN, daur, 10, ------- b Glasgow, LKS
Jane McEWEN, sister, u/m 41, ------ b Glasgow, LKS
Janet HAMILTON, servant, u/m 25, domestic servant, b Glasgow, LKS
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Below might be the same Thomas McEWEN?
But it's a different occupation, and living on the south side of Glasgow - though wee Jessie WAS born in Milton (which is north). As is Kirkintilloch.

THOMAS MCEWEN
AGNES HOWIE
Marriage: 05 APR 1869 Hutchesontown, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
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JESSIE WALLACE HOWIE MCEWEN - Birth: 11 JUN 1870 Milton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
THOMAS WILLIAM MCEWEN - Birth: 07 JUN 1872 Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland
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1881 Census Place: Govan, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: 19 Titwood Pl
Source: FHL Film 0203682 GRO Ref Volume 644-14 EnumDist 32 Page 3
Thomas MC EWEN W 59 M Kirktoun, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Insurance Cashier
Jessie HOWIE (MC EWEN) U 39 F Eaglesham, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Sister In Law
Robert MC EWEN U 34 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Artist Landscape
Jessie W.H. MC EWEN 10 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Thomas W. MC EWEN 8 M Lenzie, Dunbarton, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
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Jack

[stephlangan]

Hi Jack

Wow thats a lot to digest...but I will give it a try...

(1) I agree now that Archibald age 22 in 1851 is not mine

(2) From what I have been able to get off the LDS website Grace Stevesons parents were James Stevenson and Grace McCallum. You have opened up a whole other avenue to explore to see who Janet it. The baby Charles that is living with Janet Stevenson is definately the child of Thomas McEwen and Grace Stevenson. The way that I know this is I found a website that someone has posted all their family tree research on for the name McKune, of which McEwen is a variation (the website is www.scotiaweb.co.uk/mckune/index.html) On there is the marriage of Thomas McEwen and Grace Stevenson plus a listing of all their children (James b 1845, Robert b 1845, Jessie b 1847, Charles b 1849 and Grace b 1850) I have been able to confirm all these children off the LDS except Charles. I contacted the webmaster for this site about 2 weeks ago to see if he had anymore info on Grace but have not heard back.

(3) When I researched Archibald and Grace Stevenson they were the only two birth for the parents James and Grace on the LDS. I wonder if Janet could be an older sister that there is no OPR for?? It seems strange that she would have the baby Charles in her care and not the youngest child Grace.

(4) I have no confirmation that this Archibald ( child of James Stevenson and Grace McCallum) is mine - the dates and locations so far just seem right for him, but I am trying to confirm that this could be him- and your help have been brilliant!!.

(5) That is definately the same Thomas McEwen with Agnes Howie. From the McKune website I was able to gather that after Grace died , Thomas remarried twice - Elizabeth Duncan ( had 4 kids with her) and Agnes Howie (had two kids with her) He outlived all his wifes, and 8 of his 11 children and died at the age of 84 in 1901 - what a life!!!!!

So in all this we are no closer to finding Archibald Stevenson but we found a real character in Thomas McEwen. I know that Archibald did move down to Liverpool in about 1855 to 1859 . I think it would be safe to say that he was down there in 1851, came back to Glasgow married Annie McAvoy 1852 and then sometime around 1860-1861 was either dead or disappeared. I do have a Archibald Stevenson age 50 on the 1881 Census born in Glasgow, was a Blacksmith on the 1881 England

[stephlangan]

Oops..ran out or room..

Ok..in 1881 listed in England census in West Ham and then there is another Archibald Stevens on the 1891 Census for England age 64 occupation Hammerman (someone once told me that is like a Blacksmith) born in Scotland living in a workhouse.

Any ideas on where I should go from here??

Steph