1861 Hugh Logan

[Dibit]

Hello,

Trying to sort out some details...

I have a Hugh Logan married to Marion Broady(Brodie) found in the 1841 census, they reside in Dalry, Ayrshire. But can not find them in teh 1851 census, I was thinking Hugh may have been deceased prior to 1851. But LDS shows a Hugh Logan in the 1861 census. Not sure if this is my Hugh?

If anyone has access to the 1851 Census, would you please have a peek? Really trying to determine Hugh Logan's death, as this may help prove who his parents are. I have them as Hugh Logan and Elisabeth Frew...but somone has provided me with info to the contrary.

Thanks
Dibit

[nelmit]

Is this your Hugh in 1841 from FREECEN?

Piece: SCT1841/587 Place: Dalry -Ayrshire Enumeration District: 8
Civil Parish: Dalry Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Dalry
Folio: 8 Page: 8
Address: Drakemyre

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
LOGAN Hugh M 50 Agricultural Labourer Ayrshire
LOGAN Marion F 50 Ayrshire
LOGAN Thomas M 20 Agricultural Labourer Ayrshire
LOGAN Hugh M 15 Agricultural Labourer Ayrshire

There are 2 round about the same age.

Piece: SCT1841/587 Place: Dalry -Ayrshire Enumeration District: 8
Civil Parish: Dalry Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Dalry
Folio: 8 Page: 11
Address: Drakemyre

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
LOGAN Hugh M 50 Cotton Hand Loom Weaver Ayrshire
LOGAN Jean F 50 Ayrshire
Page: 8/12 LOGAN James M 10 Cotton Hand Loom Weaver App Ayrshire
LOGAN Elizabeth F 10 Ayrshire
JAMIESON Jean F 20 Female Servant Ayrshire
REID Jean F 75 Ayrshire

Unfortunately it is the weaver who is married to Jean (Reid?)at Dalry in 1851 & 1861. No sign of Hugh or Marion.


Regards,
Annette

[Dibit]

Hi again,

Yes... This is my Hugh Logan(Ag Labourer) and Marion.

I have found Marion's death cert listing it at Kirk Close, Dalry in 1870 so they(she) were in the area. If Hugh dies before 1851 then perhaps Marion is living with one of her children, she was born in Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland, as it may be listed on the census.
I have her children as being James, Thomas, Hugh and possibly John?

How do I find Hugh Logans death cert if it is prior to 1851?

??? How did they record age on the census? as it never matches up???

Thanks

[ninatoo]

Hi Dibit,

Your Hugh Logan caught my eye, because I have a number of them, but sadly none from Ayrshire.

Age on census varied according to who was telling the enumerator the ages. I have one ancestor who didn't age a day in 20 years! The best indicator of true age, I have found, is the earliest census for the individual. If you can get them when they're still a child, it is more accurate, but even then can be out by a couple of years sometimes.

There are some Old Parish Records at Scotlandspeople which might give you an idea of when Hugh died, but they aren't like a death registration and don't have a lot of detail usually (although today's search of the 1854 Catholic Death register was e a goldmine as they had to record the address of people who had died of cholera....).

You can sometimes get a clue to the parents if the couple in question has children. There were some fairly popular naming patterns in those days, the first born son being named for the paternal grandfather, for example, but not everybody followed tradition strictly - it's just something you might like to look at.

Not sure if I am just rambling on here...I hope it makes some sense for you!

Nina

[trish1]

I found this one in 1851
ED15 page 3 - Courthill Street Dalry Ayrshire
Marion Logan 62 head born Linlithgow Knitter (stockings)
John Logan 22 son Iron miner

You would need to check on SP for the marital status

In 1841 the age of adults was rounded down to the closest 5 years so marion could have been between 50 & 54. This fits with an age of 62 in 1851.

Trish

[trish1]

This looks to be son John in 1861 - no sign of mother Marion with him.

Crummock St Beith Ayrshire
John Logan 30 head born Dalry Ironstone Miner
Agnes Logan 30 wife born Old Monkland Lanarkshire
Janet Logan 5 dau born Dalry
Marion Logan 3 dau born Dalry
Hugh Logan 5 months son born Beith

[nelmit]

Marion in 1861 still at Drakemere, Dalry -

Merriam Logan 73 stocking knitter, born Bathgate

Not sure how you could confirm Hugh's parents but you could look at the death record for Hugh Logan the weaver and rule his parents out.

This looks like the 2 Hughs born around the same time - my guess would be that the weaver's father is Hugh and your Hugh's father would be Thomas .......................but guesses don't count!


Hugh Logan
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
christening: 13 Jan 1788 ,​ DALRY,​ AYR,​ SCOTLAND
residence: Dalry,​ Ayrshire,​ Scotland
parents: Thomas Logan

Hugh Logan
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 18 Oct 1791 ,​ Dalry,​ Ayr,​ Scotland
christening: ,​ DALRY,​ AYR,​ SCOTLAND
residence: 1791 Dalry,​ Ayrshire,​ Scotland
parents: Hugh Logan

Regards,
Annette

[Dibit]

But my Hugh Logan and Marion(Brodie) appear in the 1841 Census with an age of 50? putting their births at 1791? and I have him being the first born? need to search more parent data????

[nelmit]

But my Hugh Logan and Marion(Brodie) appear in the 1841 Census with an age of 50? putting their births at 1791? and I have him being the first born? need to search more parent data????

Remember the ages were rounded down so he could have been born any time between 1787 -1791 and he may be neither of the two I pasted from the IGI.

You say you have him being 1st born - where did you find that information?

Regards,
Annette

[Dibit]

Actually its been a long time since I looked at the data I have gathered, (evidence I should keep better notes)
I think the path I took was after finding the marriage of Hugh Logan and Marion Brodie in 1809 and tied him with a Matthew Logan (Isabella McIntosh)whose death cert reads parents as Hugh Logan and Elisabeth Frew.

What I have curently shows Hugh Logan and Marion Brodie's first born being James Logan and if they followed tradition(if I have all the data) Hugh's father would be a James??? Need to find how I tied Matthew and Hugh together.

I can't find anything concrete in my data that would say Hugh Logan and Elisabeth Frew would be my Hugh's parents.

I need to go back over my data and make some better notes.