1861 Hugh Logan

[Currie]

According to “Detailed List of the Old Parochial Registers of Scotland” published 1872, there are no death records for the Parish of Dalry, in Ayrshire.

For the last part of the 18th Century, for births, the comment is “Defective Sept. 1791—Jan. 1793. Leaf containing irregular entries, 1776—1810, after Dec. 1793. Mothers’ names not recorded”

Before searching for deaths it’s best to check the SP list to see what’s available. http://www.scotlandspeoplehub.gov.uk/re ... -oprs.html

Alan

[trish1]

Hi Annette

I couldn't find that 1861 for Marion - and I did search on surname only - sometimes I believe ancestry changes it indexes just as I start looking.

But my Hugh Logan and Marion(Brodie) appear in the 1841 Census with an age of 50? putting their births at 1791? and I have him being the first born? need to search more parent data????

Hi Dibit

I did mention above - If the 1841 census says age 50 - it means they were aged between 50 and 54 - ages were rounded down to the closest 5 years. Thus they could have been born between 1786 and 1791 - so both baptisms found by Annette are possible.

Do you have a definitive list of the children of Hugh & Marion? The OPRs seem to only list the father's name for baptisms at that time in Dalry - which is rather frustrating given there are 2 Hugh Logans having children at the same time. From the LDS records- Hugh Logan married Marrion Broady 1809 and Hugh Logan married Jean Reid 1811. Thomas who is in the 1841 census doesn't appear in the LDS baptisms at all (that I can find)

Looking at Hugh Logan the weaver - he is listed as 60 in 1851 and 68 in 1861 - probably closest to the 1791 birth, so your Hugh could well be the 1788 Christening. As Annette said checking the parents on the death certificate for Hugh the Weaver would probably remove one of the possibilities.

Trish

[Buttondiva]

Hi, Hugh Logan and Marion Brodie are on my family tree. Hugh Logan is my great great great Grandfather. He was born 18/10/1791. Marion Brodie was born in 1787, date of baptism was 16/07/1787.

Hugh Logan's parents were Hugh Logan and Elisabeth Frew.

I had a death certificate for him. He died on 4-1-1864 aged 72. His cause of death was listed as senile debility. He was listed as a weaver. His parents are registered as Hugh Logan and Elizabeth Frew. His son James registered the death.
What is curious is that his wife is listed as Jean Barclay, not Marion Brodie. But everything else fits. Perhaps he married again?

My father was a Hugh Logan, as was my grandfather, my great grandfather was William Logan (b.circa 1850 or perhaps 1849).

Does this help at all. What is he to you?
Eleanor LOgan

[ninatoo]

Hi Eleanor,

Firstly, welcome to Talking Scot!

I am curious about that death certificate, wrong wife, but everything else fits. I wonder how you made a definitive decision that it was your Hugh? The reason I ask is that I too had a death certificate for one of my distant ancestors with parents listed, right place, right age, son by a name I knew had signed it, but wrong wife. In fact wrong two wives were mentioned.

I had included the person in my tree because 'everything else fit'. Sadly, and after many dollars spent at SP and a lovely tree which branched out from the ancestor's parents....I found it was not my ancestor after all. In my early days of research I had at some point allowed another family researcher to tell me who the man's parents should be, and when I found a certificate with those parents listed, I just assumed he was mine. Wrong! The researcher had not given me any supporting evidence, and so when I eventually went looking for it, I found the error. In this case it was because I found a man of the same name with correct forename for the wife on the 1861 census, and so followed a daughter who was living with them through the records of her life....when she died she had the correct mother's maiden name which was unusual (Mc Couit - var.). According to the other researcher, the man should have been dead before 1861.

So....how do you know this man is your Hugh?

Nina

[StewL]

Hello Nina
My early attempt at researching had the same result as yours, I was off on a wild tangent due to having "picked" the wrong Alexander Stewart (there's a lot of them )
It is always useful to make a new post in regard to new researchers and how easy it is to go off the track of your lang deid yins. It just reminds folks of how easy it is to make errors, especially when you are new to the addiction, and the excitement is high.

[ninatoo]

Exactly Stewart.

When I received the incorrect information, I was not experienced enough (and most definitely too excited) to make sure of some of those early records and didn't dig for sources. And it wasn't until a long time after, when I had had more experience, that I thought to ask myself "Wait a minute - how do I know they are his parents?" And of course I had no answer, no sources, nothing. And by that time I knew that was a no-no!

Nina

[marymlogan]

Hi
Hugh Logan and Marion Brodie are also on our family tree. Hugh being my husband's great great great grandfather. As far as I know Hugh and Marion had four children: James [my husband's great great grandfather], Thomas, Hugh and John but would be interested to know if there were more as Hugh and Marion were married in 1809 and son James was not born until 1819. Maybe they did not survive.
I would also be grateful if anyone could give me more info regarding Hugh's parents, his birth and his death. To date I've found a birth for a Hugh Logan to a Hugh Logan [Shoemaker in Dalry] on 18 October 1791. Could find nothing for a Hugh Logan being born to a James though.
Also found a death certificate for a Hugh Logan [Farmer] on 8 January 1850. Which makes sense as Hugh appears on the 1841 Census as an Agricultural Worker and on the 1851 Census Marion is a widow and living with son John. On son James' marriage certificate his deceased father's occupation was given as Labourer.
I would really also like to know more about the family of great great grandfather James especially between 1841, when he married Margaret Kerr and 1851 when according to the Census he was a widower and living alone in Dalry. I can find no trace of Margaret's death. I think they had children: Janet and Hugh but don't know what happened to them. James later married Margaret Parker in 1858.
I have only recently found this website and was really excited to read that others were searching for more information on Hugh and Marion.
I look forward to hearing from anyone who can help me progress further in my search.
Many thanks.
Mary

[StewL]

Hello Mary

Unfortunately there is little chance of finding a recorded death prior to compulsory registration of BMD"s in 1855.
The OPR's can assist in getting you back further in your search, and there is a chance that marriages can give you more information in the OPR's.
The LDS "Family Search" can also be a useful (and cheap) way to search back, Just be aware that they can be member submissions, with more than a bit of wishful thinking involved, if they are not member submissions they can be more accurate.

[marymlogan]

Hi Stewie
Many thanks for the welcome. I know what you mean about the OPR's. I had almost given up as I have been trying without success for some considerable time to find out more about our Hugh Logan. I'm hoping that maybe Dibit, Buttondiva or someone else may be able to provide me with further info. In the meantime I'll keep searching.
Thanks again.
Mary

[Buttondiva]

Hi Mary and others - Mary, your husband and I are related so I would love to know more about your family tree. The Hugh Logan married to Marion Brodie is my great great great grandfather. I have all my data on my tree from Scotlands People - using mainly birth, marriage and death certificates as they give the most information. The census is a little less reliable as people moved around and also people didnt fill them in as accurately. I will have a look over the stuff again and post any more information I have.
Eleanor Logan

Father: Hugh Logan, died in 1974
Grandfather Hugh Logan: died in 1957 - married to Elizabeth Roberston first, then Helen Gilbert Haddow (who was my grandmother)
Great Grandfather: William Logan, died in 1924