Can you find my DAVID WILSON? .....

[ali]

Hi Everyone,

I am trying to find David Wilson And his wife Ann Shaw together.
Ann was born Kilsyth c 1827
They were married 1849 Glasgow( found this on family search)

They had a daughter Margaret b 1862 Glasgow.
Up until now I have found Ann & her daughter Margaret

1871 at 67 King St Glasgow

1881 at 88 Stevenson st Glasgow.

Each time living with Ann’s sister Margaret and husband John Thompson, Ann’s status married on both
Ann's daughter Margaret Wilson married 1881. Her father David Wilson (House painter) Deceased.

So I guess trying to find them in earlier census might help. As everyone else I have spent a fortune trying to pinpoint his death on SP but without success.

So if anyone can help it would be much appreciated.
Regards Ali.

[DavidWW]

Ali

Ann is shown as "W" = Widow in 1881...........

I assume that you have the death register entry of Ann WILSON MS SHAW.

Thsi may well be one of tbe cases where it's not cost effective to search on ScotlandsPeople, given the number of possible records for a a name such as David WILSON.

David

[Andy]

I'm awful busy just now so won't have time to look through my David Wilson deaths for a few days but I may have downloaded yours when I was hunting for my David Wilson.

[capricorn]

Hello again Ali,
I've had a look at the 1861 index for Ann and David Wilson.
David is not with Ann on this census either.
Census was taken HIGH CHURCH 644/2 enum dist 9 page 5

Again it looks like she is with her sister and husband

John Thomason age 31 born Paisley
Margaret Thomson age 35 born Kilsyth
Ann Wilson age 32 born Kilsyth

I then had a look at the 1851 index (no birthplaces)

I think this could be your Ann and David here


Census taken BLACKFRIARS 560 ward 17 page 21

David Wilson age 24
Ann Wilson age 24
James Wilson age 13

James too old to be their child, could be a brother of David


How's your King research coming along?

All the best
Liz

[Jack]

Hi Ali,
With help from Liz on the nos, here's some censuses.
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1851 cens 644-1 (560) Ed 17 pp 21-22 (College or Blackfriars)
100 High St.
David WILSON, head, marr, 24, hand loom weaver, b Glasgow, LKS
Ann WILSON, wife, marr, 24, cotton winder, b Kilsyth, STI
James WILSON, brother, 13, scholar, b England
Hugh MILLIGAN, lodger, u/m 17, hand loom weaver, b Glasgow, LKS
Janet BRASH, lodger, u/m 19, cotton winder, b Glasgow, LKS
==
1861 cens 644-2 Ed 9 p 5 (High)
64 Drygate St.
John THOMSON, head, marr, 31, wood sawyer, b Paisley, RFW
Margaret THOMSON, wife, 35, pirn winder, b Kilsyth, STI
Anne WILSON, sis-in-law, marr, 32, pirn winder, b Kilsyth, STI
Robert GRAY, bro-in-law, marr, 40, clock maker, b Paisley, RFW
Janet GRAY or THOMSON, sister, marr, 39, ------- b Paisley, RFW
Patrick RUSH, visitor, u/m 19, labourer in forge, b Glasgow, LKS
Elizabeth McGUINNES, stranger, 9, ------ b (supposed) Glasgow, LKS
(N.K.) GRAY, son of (n.k.?), 12, scholar, b (supposed) Glasgow, LKS
[i think it said son of (n.k.) - ie 'not known'; very difficult to be certain]
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If this next one is your David, then it begs the question; why is he in digs just a couple of streets away?!

1861 cens 644-1 Ed 35 p 6 (Outer High or St. Paul)
65 High St.
Thomas McLEAN, head, marr, 25, brickbuilders labourer, b Glasgow, LKS
Margaret McLEAN, wife, marr, 26, ----------- b Glasgow, LKS
David WILSON, lodger, marr, 31, house painter, b Glasgow, LKS
Louisa RITCHIE, lodger, u/m, 30, seamstress, b Edinburgh.
==
Jack

[ali]

Hi jack,
Thank you so much for that.
It could well be him but oh so strange that as you say is lodging so close by.
I wonder where he was 1871?

I will let you know if i make any progress.
Best wishes Ali

[DavidWW]

......It could well be him but oh so strange that as you say is lodging so close by.
I wonder where he was 1871?

I will let you know if i make any progress.
Best wishes Ali

I love mysteries like this

There's all sorts of reasons why he is not there after 1851.....

He died before 1871, possibly even before 1861 if Margaret wasn't his child

If that is him in 1861, then they could have separated, or it could have been a situation as simple as there not being room for him in the household of his wife's sister.....

Taking the age range as 41 to 44 there are just four David WILSONs in Glasgow city in the 1871 census, three of whom are shown as married (I nearly wrote happily married but how could I know that ), leaving the other as a 42 year old lunatic, occupation painter, born (Glasgow) City, in whatever asylum there was in Partick district 646/3 - yet again, the 4th now in only a few days where it would have been neat to be able to identify the institution.

I think that it would have been Gartnavel, - the major such asylum in the Glasgow area, - this from http://www.electricscotland.com/history ... artick.htm :

and the Lunatic Asylum at Gartnavel (then or later The Royal Lunatic Asylum - dww), which stands a melancholy thing, apart from the noise and bustle of the neighbouring city. This benevolent establishment is indeed most appropriately situated here, in a quiet and secluded place, where ministration to the "mind diseased" is completely undisturbed, as in an urban locality it would necessarily to some extent be by the distractions of discordant external influences

All that written it has to be admitted that the combination of David and WILSON is not exactly infrequent, and that looking for 1871 records outside Glasgow City (as defined on SP) and widening the age range slighly, would no doubt produce a good few more candidates............

Given the matches to date, however, - shown as housepainter on wife Ann's death register entry, ditto on daughter Margaret's 1881 marriage register entry, - painter in the above 1871 census entry, and house painter in the above 1861 census entry, - age and marital condition (with no other candidate as spouse in the household) matching in these two censuses I have to confess that there is a good case for thinking that this is the man , but we're talking about the chances being 60:40, maybe 70:30 in favour.

If this is the man, and he spent the rest of his life in Gartnavel, it is a distinct possibility that his death register entry may not show all the required info on spouse's and parents' names, - the informant would most likely have been a senior staff member, and the information provided to the registrar would have depended on that in the asylum's records ......

In 1881 there isn't a David Wilson enumerated in "Glasgow Royal Asylum" Gartnavel, shown as Govan.

David

[Jack]

Hi Ali,
I knew i'd forgotten to mention something!
There are 2 Glasgow Poor Law records in 1887 for Ann WILSON, ms SHAW (b abt 1829 Kilsyth).
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D-HEW 15 / 2 / 5. page 1563.
D-HEW 15 / 7 / 4. page 1380.
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I'll try and have a look at them - they might give some info on hubby David.

Jack

[DavidWW]

Hi Ali,
I knew i'd forgotten to mention something!
There are 2 Glasgow Poor Law records in 1887 for Ann WILSON, ms SHAW (b abt 1829 Kilsyth).
--
D-HEW 15 / 2 / 5. page 1563.
D-HEW 15 / 7 / 4. page 1380.
--
I'll try and have a look at them - they might give some info on hubby David.

Jack

Further info awaited with great interest, as it will most likely prove or disprove the above possible link!

David

[ali]

Hi David & Jack,

You are doing a fine job.

Keep up the good work.
Ali