Children in census but no birth certificates? .....

maddymoss · Post by **maddymoss** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:58 pm

I have Margaret Coyne in the 1871 census for Parish of New Greyfriars, Edinburgh.
She is listed with five of her children, three of whom were born in Edinburgh and were easily found, but the other two, Martin aged 13 and May aged 7, who were born in Brigend, Dunbarton have proved elusive. Knowing Margaret Coyne’s husband was called Thomas, I thought it would have been relatively simple to find their birth certificates but, no. Could Margaret Coyne, who was a hawker simply failed to register the births?

Jim

CatrionaL · Post by **CatrionaL** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:17 pm

Hi Maddymoss

If you go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

there's a Martin COIGNE born 1856 in Newlands Peebleshire. It came up when I tried the name CO*N*. Unfortuanately, I could find no sign of May. And I didn't look at the cert to see who the parents were.

Hope this helps

Catriona

Alison Plenderleith · Post by **Alison Plenderleith** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:31 pm

Hi Jim,

Do you have Margaret's maiden name? It may help in the search for the children's births.

Regards,

Alison

ellenavon · Post by **ellenavon** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 5:45 pm

Hi Jim

I agree with Alison to try the mother's maiden name.

My gg grandmother was a hawker - had nine children with so called husband, also a hawker. First four were registered with his surname, and marraige details which have never been verified, can't find it anywhere - the next five she registered under her own name as illegitimate, although I know from the census details that she and the children were still with the same alleged husband till well after all their births!

Best of luck!

Ellen.

maddymoss · Post by **maddymoss** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:31 pm

Hi everyone,,
Thanks for the suggestions. Full marks to you Catriona. Despite the fact Martin was reportedly born in Dunbarton, at your suggestion I found him in Newlands, Peebles along with May (Margaret). Not only that I found another sibling, Richard. It's been a good night!

Thanks again,
Jim

Post by **AndrewP** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:37 pm

Hi Jim,

The online IGI gives 8 children to this couple in Newlands and Edinburgh.

COIN - Birth: 15 OCT 1855 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian
MARTIN COIGNE - Birth: 17 OCT 1856 Newlands, Peebles
BRIDGET COIN - Birth: 28 JAN 1858 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian
NANCY COIN - Birth: 17 SEP 1859 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian
THOMAS COIGNE - Birth: 26 JUL 1861 Newlands, Peebles
RICHARD COIGNE - Birth: 15 JAN 1863 Newlands, Peebles
MARGARET COIGNE - Birth: 23 OCT 1864 Newlands, Peebles
THOMAS COYNE - Birth: 25 MAR 1869 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian

The un-named 1855 child was male. Did he die before he was given a first name? The 1855 certificates should be worth a look. Assuming they are all the one family, then did Thomas of 1861 also die young, that his name was re-used?

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

Skene Dhu · Post by **Skene Dhu** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:17 pm

Hi Jim,
AndrewP is right with the children, and the parents were Thomas Coigne & Margaret Ward, they were married in 1854 @ St. Patricks Chapel, Edinburgh, according to Margarets birth cert., Thomas was an Agricultural Labourer.
There is also a possibility that Margaret is a boarder at No.25 High St., Dumbarton, this one states she was born in Dumbarton and not Newlands in Peebles, you reckoned Martin thought he was born in Dumbarton also ?. Margaret is under the name COYNE, a Bleachfield worker.

John

maddymoss · Post by **maddymoss** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:45 pm

Hi,
Thanks for the replies on the Coynes.
Andrew, I had the birth and death certificates for the unnamed child (who was attended by Dr. Wong Fun), and acting on your info, the birth certificates of the first Thomas and Richard, also Richard's death certificate. Richard was found drowned in the Union Canal, at what looks like Port Hopeton. He was aged 8. I'm still looking for the death of the first Thomas.

John, you mentioned Margaret Coyne could have been a boarder in Dumbarton. Was this in a census?

Jim

Post by **AndrewP** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:57 pm

maddymoss wrote:Richard was found drowned in the Union Canal, at what looks like Port Hopeton.

Hi Jim,

Port Hopetoun will be correct. That was one of the ports of the Edinburgh terminus of the the Union Canal. The canal was shortened on the 1920s and the building in Lothian Road from Woolworths to the cinema was built on the site.

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

Skene Dhu · Post by **Skene Dhu** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:35 pm

Hi again Jim,
Yes the Margaret I noticed was in the 1881 LDS census : Scotland / Highland Region Disc

John

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Children in census but no birth certificates? .....

Children in census but no birth certificates? .....

Children in census, but no birth certificates

Children in census but no birth certificates