Can't find death.....

Cathy · Post by **Cathy** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:17 pm

I can't find death of Agnes / Nancy. Maiden name Black. She was married to Bernard Morgan, Coalminer. He died before 1875. Can't find his death either. Any suggestions?

1881 census: Dwelling: 10 Mc Nair Street
Census Place: Shettleston, Lanark, Scotland
Agnes MORGAN W 80 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Head. Occ: Formerly Domestic Servant

AnnetteR · Post by **AnnetteR** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:54 pm

Hi Cathy

There is a death on SP of Bernard Morgan aged 68 for the year 1860 who was a miner. It only lists him as being married thus no information as to the wife. The informant was his Son in Law but I can't make out the name so if you have a look it might lead you somewhere. The place of death was Landward, New Monkland, Lanark and where the age of death is listed there is a 'U' so it is easy to find. Wasn't able to track down Agnes even using both names.

Good Luck

Annette R

Cathy · Post by **Cathy** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:00 pm

Hi Annette,
many thanks for taking the time.
I have a transcription of the death of that Bernard, but the wife and son-in-law don't fit. Thanks again.

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:30 am

On the basis that MORGAN could be misheard as MORAN, there's a Bernard MORAN death "U" for age, in Govan in 1865; but it's an 11 day old child.................

David

Cathy · Post by **Cathy** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:32 pm

Thanks David.
I am following the line of their son Hugh, b. 1825 Shettleston, d.1874
Shettleston. He doesn't appear have a son Bernard,( out of 12 children) and I think Bernard and Nancy would be past childbearing age by 1865.
But thanks for having a look.

sporran · Post by **sporran** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:38 pm

Hello Cathy,

Hugh's death in 1874 gave the vital clue: Agnes' maiden name was Brock, not Black. If you do a simple search just on surnames Morgan and Brock, there is only one death, and she was not Agnes or Nancy according to son James.

The 1860 death of Bernard Morgan, aged 68, looks the likeliest for statutory deaths. The informant was William Welsh or Walsh (perhaps). Does that name mean anything to you?

Regards,

John

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 10:50 am

sporran wrote:Hugh's death in 1874 gave the vital clue: Agnes' maiden name was Brock, not Black. If you do a simple search just on surnames Morgan and Brock, there is only one death, and she was not Agnes or Nancy according to son James.

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Regards,

John

And Nancy is a pet form of the name under which she is registered

David

Cathy · Post by **Cathy** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 4:54 pm

Hi John and David,
got the cert. and it does look good. But.........
Ann Morgan......... age 51, would make her born c.1832, and her son Hugh was born 1825.
Unless he had a brother Bernard, who married this Ann.
More digging I suppose, but thanks for taking the time.

sporran · Post by **sporran** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:29 pm

Hello Cathy,

I can only put the age of 51 down to an error between the informant and the registrar. Consider the following:

death was at the same place (McNair St.) as the 1881 census;
in 1871 she is 67 with son Thomas and family in Shettleston;
there are 4 marriages in Shettleston 1855-1870, all of whom give parents as Bernard Morgan, coalminer (deceased) and Ann/Anne/Agnes ms Brock.

The 4 marriages (all male Morgans) give births around 1842-1846, possible for a woman born in the early 1800s but unlikely for one born in 1832. Bernard is shown as deceased in the 1857 marriage, therefore it seems almost certain that he died before statutory registration.

Regards,

John

Cathy · Post by **Cathy** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:10 pm

Hi John,
I agree with you about the age. Everything else fits.
I found a marriage for a son which confirms parents.
The William Welsh/Walsh doesn't mean anything at this stage.
Many, many thanks for your time and trouble.

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