Princes Sq. Glasgow - En. Dist name in 1891 please? .....

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:51 pm

Hi
Hoping someone can tell me what named enumeration district Princes Square, Glasgow would fall into in the 1891?

Is there a web site somewhere which lists these things??

Best wishes
Lesley

Post by **AndrewP** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:12 pm

Using the "Advanced Search" on the 1881 LDS CD, it gives Princes Square as 644/14. The Registration Districts (and hopefully the Enumeration Districts) in Glasgow went unchanged from 1875 to 1907. So hopefully, Princes Square should be in 644/14 (Kinning Park) for censuses 1881, 1891 and 1901.

Can one of the Glasgow area people confirm or correct that?

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:54 pm

AndrewP wrote:Using the "Advanced Search" on the 1881 LDS CD, it gives Princes Square as 644/14. The Registration Districts (and hopefully the Enumeration Districts) in Glasgow went unchanged from 1875 to 1907. So hopefully, Princes Square should be in 644/14 (Kinning Park) for censuses 1881, 1891 and 1901.

Can one of the Glasgow area people confirm or correct that?

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

Andrew,

By the looks of things it still came under Govan (but I would call it Strathbungo). It was an affluent part of the south side.

Today it is known as Marywood Square in Strathbungo or Queens Park.

It came under Pollokshields in 1913/14 valuation rolls.
http://www.theglasgowstory.com/valmapview.php?id=23

Regards,
Annette

WilmaM · Post by **WilmaM** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:57 pm

Prince's Square in Kinning Park

OK I've done some digging !

The Prince's Square that came to mind at first is the shopping centre just of Buchanan Street in the centre of the city. It was named that in 1909 too. My old map says Exchange Ward Central Division, how that relates to the census Enumeration Districts I'm not certain.

There was a Princes Square, Strathbungo in the 1890's it was changed to
Marywood Square, S1

It would have been just on the very Southern Edge of the Kinning Park Parish I suppose [ my old map doesn't go quite that far

].

Which one did you mean Lesley ?

Map references:

Central District one:Mulitmap - enter: ' G1 3JN ' to find it

NLS : http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/map/to ... entre.html
square VI.11.11 extreme left hand side about the middle.

Pollockshaws/ Cathcart street previously Prince's Square
Multimap: enter : Marywoood Square

NLS : http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/map/to ... hwest.html
square X.2.3 then it's the bottom street running South - West.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:06 pm

Hi all
Thank you so much for all the suggestions.

Which one did you mean Lesley ?

er, I don't know...

I'm looking for a needle in a haystack on a hunch!

The needle in question is called John Duff.

He is mentioned in a testament of a distant relative, one Donald Duff, Baillie of Tain, (a first cousin 6times removed!) in 1895 as being a nephew of the deceased, and was of "27, Princes Square, Glasgow". His roots are in Easter Ross, but he may not have been born there and I don't know his age in 1891 because I don't know who he is! That's what I'm trying to find out.

I just thought that if I knew which district the address landed in I could check to see if he was at that address in the 1891. If he is, then brilliant - if he's not I'll try 1901 and if no luck with either I'll just have to think of some other angle to approach it from or put it on the back boiler for a bit and he may be "resolved" in the fullness of time!

I'm off to have a look at all the suggested maps etc. I just don't know my way around Glasgow at all!!
Best wishes
Lesley

P.S. I've just noticed the S.1 above. The relative who sent me the info said it looked like "Glasgow S.S" - this may be the right area then. Using Kinning Park and Govan as suggested above (thanks!) its now down to 9 results rather then 60-something on three pages - much better! Discounting the under-10s, its down to 7 hopefuls.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:16 pm

OK - it looks like its Kinning Park - many thanks to all who made suggestions.

Also mentioned in the testament was a Flora Duff or Powell, sister of John Duff his nephew. Just cheked to see if any likely looking marriage existed and a Flora Duff of 27 Princes Square married a James Powell at 27 Princes Square, Kinning Park in 1888, witness John Duff.

As a rather wierd twist, having checked where it used to be using the helpful suggestions above, it turns out that Princes Square was a street which runs parallel to Regents Park Square and Queens Square where another relative, Daniel McNicol (unconnected to this relative) owned property!!

Thanks all.
Lesley

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:14 pm

lbathgate wrote:OK - it looks like its Kinning Park - many thanks to all who made suggestions.

Also mentioned in the testament was a Flora Duff or Powell, sister of John Duff his nephew. Just cheked to see if any likely looking marriage existed and a Flora Duff of 27 Princes Square married a James Powell at 27 Princes Square, Kinning Park in 1888, witness John Duff.

As a rather wierd twist, having checked where it used to be using the helpful suggestions above, it turns out that Princes Square was a street which runs parallel to Regents Park Square and Queens Square where another relative, Daniel McNicol (unconnected to this relative) owned property!!

Thanks all.
Lesley

Hi Lesley,

Glad you finally got there.

As a point of interest (and hopefully I won't offend anyone) if you dare to suggest today that someone who lives in Marywood Square (formerly Princes Square) also came from Kinning Park I can assure you they would be highly offended.

My son goes to a secondary school nearby so if you would like any photographs let me know. The townhouses are still there although mainly divided into flats as they are expensive to buy.

Regards,
Annette M

WilmaM · Post by **WilmaM** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:41 pm

I wish I could find a map that shows just where Kinning Park Parish ended.

I wouldn't have considered Queen's Park area as being part of K.P. Burgh nowadays but K.P. Burgh certainly seemed to stretch past Nithsdale Road in the 1895 map.

And it was never part of Govan either, I have it on good Authority [ my Father

] that Govan ended where Kinning Park & Glasgow began. He was born & brought up in Plantation just inside Govan.

I'm glad you seem to have got the right place Lesley.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:51 pm

Hi Annette

I take it the "correct " area would be Strathbungo? (It does look like 27 Princes Square, Strathbungo on the marriage entry).

I expect the buildings are pretty much the same as the neighbouring streets? I took this a couple of months ago.
http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... p?pos=-206

If you are passing, a photo would be great to send to the relative in NZ who gave me the info. Thanks for offering - very much appreciated.

James Powell seems to be the Headmaster of some school - I can't read it though. It looks like Ellie School Head Master. Does this sound familiar? Can't read where he lived either. Looks like North John Street, Glasgow. (Near George Square??) Maybe I should just upload the thing and paste the link later...

Best wishes
Lesley

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:53 pm

WilmaM wrote:I wish I could find a map that shows just where Kinning Park Parish ended.

I wouldn't have considered Queen's Park area as being part of K.P. Burgh nowadays but K.P. Burgh certainly seemed to stretch past Nithsdale Road in the 1895 map.

And it was never part of Govan either, I have it on good Authority [ my Father ] that Govan ended where Kinning Park & Glasgow began. He was born & brought up in Plantation just inside Govan.

I'm glad you seem to have got the right place Lesley.

Wilma,

Having lived in the South Side of Glasgow for the last 53 years (apart from a wee stint of 4 years south of Scotland) I would agree with all you say except - 1881 Census -
Dwelling: 1 Princes Square Census Place: Govan, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203682 GRO Ref Volume 644-14

We are talking pre Glasgow as we know it today and enumeration districts rather than parishes.

All very confusing but obviously important if you don't know the area.

Kind regards,
Annette M