Census 1851http://www.mitchelllibrary.org/cgi-bin/vm/main.pl

[Scozzie]

Looking for Robert Adam age about 7, parents Thomas Adam & Elizabeth, living in Paisley Renfrewshire in 1851 census. Could someone please check for me?

saw this the other day: genealogists never die, they just lose their census

[Jack]

Hi Scozzie,
Can't see Robert, nor a Thomas & Elizabeth ADAM together in all Renfrewshire.
Do you know of any siblings? what is Elizabeth's maiden name?

Ta - Jack

[Scozzie]

Hi Jack, thanks for looking, much appreciated.

I'm not surprised you can't find them. I'm having problems tracing the birth of Robert Gibson ADAM. I have the marriage entry for Robert & Mary Morning in Johnstone 12 June 1863, he gives his parents names as THOMAS ADAM & ELIZABETH GIBSON, his usual residence as Paisley, his age as 19, making his year of birth 1843/44. On the marriage entry he gives his occupation as Private in the Renfrew Militia, I've tried to find him there, but was told there's no record of him. On his children's birth entries his occupation is given as weaver, as is his death entry. Thomas was deceased at the time of the marriage, but I can't find his death entry. The only death entry I've found for an Elizabeth Adam nee Gibson in Paisley is for a woman who would have been 65 when Robert was born.

I've spotted Robert & Mary on census (can't remember which one) and he gave his birth place as Paisley. I have his death entry, his son (Robert) was the informant, and gives Robert's parents' names as DAVID ADAM & MAGGIE GIBSON, and age 59, which makes the birth year 1849. I figured the son made a guess at the names and his father's age, or somebody is telling porkies.

No idea who his parents are, where they or he came from, so no chance of finding out if he had any siblings.

[Scozzie]

If a search was done for a ROBERT ADAM age about 7 in Paisley, how many would show up? That might be the only possible way of finding him.

[Jack]

Hi Scozzie,
Nothing that really stands out as your Robert ADAM b ~1843/44.
For Paisley 1851 there are 3 Roberts that could fit, but the mothers' names were Agnes, Janet, & Margaret - no Elizabeths.
I've also included the Margaret for 1841 - don't know if she was a widow then, but she is as one in 1851.
--
1841 cens 559 Ed 34 p 15 (Abbey Parish)
Cotton St, Paisley.
Margt. ADAM, 39, pirn winder, b RFW
Ann ADAM, 15, cotton throwster, b RFW
Jean ADAM, 7, ------------ b RFW
Thomas ADAM, 2, ------- b RFW
&
1851 cens 573-2 (465) Ed 3 pp 15-15 (South Parish)
67 Causeyside St, Paisley.
Margret ADAM, head, widow, 44, weaver's winder, b Paisley, RFW
Ann ADAM, daur, u/m 24, factory girl, b Paisley, RFW
Jean ADAM, daur, 15, factory girl, b Paisley, RFW
Thomas ADAM, son, 12, weaver's asst. b Paisley, RFW
Robert ADAM, son, 6, ----------- b Paisley, RFW
Hugh ADAM, son, 6mos, ------ b Paisley, RFW
==
1851 cens 573-2 (465) Ed 13 p 15 (Low Parish)
39 New St, Paisley.
Robert ADAM , head, marr, 34, warehouseman, b Low Parish, Paisley, RFW
Mary ADAM , wife, 34, ------------- b Ochiltree, AYR
Hellen ADAM , daur, 10, --------- Low, Paisley, RFW
Robert ADAM , son, 8, ----------- Middle, Paisley, RFW
William ADAM , son, 5, --------- Paisley, RFW
John ADAM , son, 2, ------------ Paisley, RFW
==
1851 cens 573-2 (467) Ed 8 p 11 (Middle Parish)
10 Back Sneddon, Paisley.
Robert ADAM, head, marr, 50, hand loom weaver, b Paisley, RFW
Agnes ADAM, wife, marr, 49, -------------- b Paisley, RFW
Margaret ADAM, daur, u/m 18, worker in thread factory, b Paisley, RFW
Agnes ADAM, daur, 15, worker in thread factory, b Paisley, RFW
James ADAM, son, 12, weaver's asst. b Paisley, RFW
Elisabeth ADAM, daur, 9, scholar, b Paisley, RFW
Jane ADAM, daur, 1mo, ------- b Paisley, RFW
Robert ADAM, son, 6yrs, ----- b Paisley, RFW
[that was the name order]
==
Jack

[Scozzie]

Thankyou very much Jack - you are a gem.

Robert Gibson (the elusive) ADAM. He married in Mary Morning in 1863, giving his age as 19, and his parents as Thomas (dec) & Elizabeth Gibson, usual residence Paisley. He died 16 Oct 1908 Paisley; his son was the informant, giving Robert's age as 59 & his parents as David & Maggie Gibson. I think the son made a bad guess, as the oldest child was born in 1864 (that would make Robert about 15!). The only Elizabeth Gibson I've found in Paisley would have been too old to be Robert's mother.

I notice on the 1851 census the address 10 Back Sneddon - Robert's son lived 59 Back Sneddon in 1908 (Robert lived in George St).

It's been easier tracing the Smith branch!

[Jack]

Hi Scozzie,
You mention, ...Robert's son lived 59 Back Sneddon in 1908 (Robert lived in George St).

Does this mean you have a George Street address number for Robert when he married Mary in 1863? And not just as "of Paisley"?
If yes, then i could look at it in the 1861 census to see if he is with other family members.

But if not, then the only think i can think of just now is a wait for the 1861 census to come online to try and find him (hopefully with family).
--
Meant to ask; what was the occupation of Robert's father "Thomas" on the 1863 MC?
And the occupation of father "David" on Robert's 1908 DC?

Jack
ps, later; i didn't read your post properly! - George St was Robert's address when he died in 1908?

[Scozzie]

Hi Jack, I'll give you as much info as I have.

Marriage on 12 June 1863 at the manse Johnstone Renfrewshire:
Robert ADAM, private in the Renfrew Militia (Bachelor) Age 19 of Paisley. Parents: Thomas ADAM (Coal Pit Labourer) (deceased) and Elizabeth ADAM ms Gibson.
Mary MURY CottonMillHand (spinster) age 20 of Dimity Street Johnstone. Parents: John MURRAY Engine Keeper and Elizabeth MURRAY ms Nicol.

The surname MURY/MURRAY made it difficult to find Mary, as the name is listed as MORNING in other places (yes, the same Mary Morning that Marilyn is related to).

Death 16 Oct 1908 George Street Paisley, Robert Adam Weaver, widower of Mary MORNING, 59 years. Parents: David Adam (Farmer) (deceased) and Maggie Adam ms Gibson. Informant: Robert Adam (son) of 59 Backsneddon.

I've tried looking for Robert's details at the Renfrew Militia - they have no record of him.

There are LOADS of men named Robert ADAM in Paisley, with wives called Mary..... and they all seem to have children called Robert, John, James, Elizabeth etc etc

[Scozzie]

A little bit more info on Robert Adam:

1871 Age 27 - 29 Castle St Paisley - Carpet Weaver
1891 Age 46 - Langs Land Elderslie - Worsted Weaver
1801 Age 51 - Langs Land Elderslie - Worsted Weaver

Children of Robert Adam & Mary Morning: Robert 1863, John 1864, David 1867, Elizabeth 1868, Margaret 1871, Lavinia 1873-1878, David c1876, Alexander c1878, Andrew c1880, Mary 1882, Agnes 1887.

Lavinia's name shows on census as "Javiney".
Mary Morning Adam died 16 March 1906 George St Paisley.

[Jack]

Hi Scozzie,
More finds from a drafts folder....
I know the ages aren't just right, but no harm in having a note of them.
==
1841 cens 573 Ed 6 p 4 (Middle)
86 New Sneddon St.
David ADAM 35, Ag Lab, b RFW
Elisabeth ADAM 35, b RFW
Andrew ADAM 12, b RFW
Margaret ADAM 10, b RFW
Elisabeth ADAM 5, b RFW
Robert ADAM 2, b RFW
[can't see this family in Renfrewshire 1851]
==
1851 cens 565 (447) Ed 2 p 14 (Houston & Kilellan)
Houston Village.
John BARBOUR, head, marr, 50, weaver, b Houston, RFW
Mary BARBOUR, wife, marr, 51, winder of pirns, b Glasgow, LKSss
Mary McNAIR, daur, widow, 28, weaver, b Houston, RFW
Isabella BARBOUR, daur, 15, weaver, b Houston, LKS
Mary McNAIR, gr-daur, 9, scholar, b Kilbarchan, RFW
Thomas DAVIDSON, pauper, boarder, 11, scholar, b Paisley, RFW
Robert ADAM, pauper, boarder, 10, scholar, b Paisley, RFW
Agnes GEMMEL, visitor, 2yrs, --------- b Paisley, RFW
--
1851 cens 573-2 (464) Ed 6 p 14 (Low Parish)
24 Gordons Lane, Paisley.
Jean ADAM, head, widow, 35, warp winder, b Kilmarnock, AYR
Robert ADAM, son, 11, calico printers asst, b Paisley, RFW
Margaret ADAM, daur, 6, --------------- b Paisley, RFW
Thomas ANDERSON, nephew, 12, calico printers asst, b Paisley, RFW
==
Jack