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ASGROOMBRIDGE
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When you think you have yr tree sorted a spanner lands.....

Post by ASGROOMBRIDGE » Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:14 pm

Hi Everyone,

Just when I thought my tree was coming on nicely I find a death cert on my great granduncle (lucky no :!: ) on the section for the name of his parents he has my 2 x greatgrandmother as being Lucinda Semple formerly Finlay maiden surname Murray. All well and good she is my 2 x great grandmother but where did the Finlay come from. Searched SP and can find nothing I have her married to William Semple 15.12.1854 this was four children down the line and only two years before she died. On the 1851 census for Annan Dumfriesshire she is down as Williams wife and daughter of Abraham Murray.

Have found her marriage to William it is an OPR will that give me her marital state and any former names. Dont want to buy it if all it tells me is their names and date of marriage. On the OPR she is down as Lucenda Murray.

What do I try next :?: :?: :?:

regards,
Audrey


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Looking for McGowan Anderson Fleming Sommerville Waddell in Lanarkshire. Semple Murray Baird Thompson Hutchinson in Annan Dumfriesshire Baird and Hutchinson also in Kirkinner Wigtonshire and Semple family of Annan Glasgow and Edinburgh
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DavidWW
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Post by DavidWW » Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:41 pm

Audrey

Firstly, who was the informant?

Secondly, that format Surname1 formerly Surname2 maiden name Surname3 means that, for whatever reason, prior to marrying Mr Surname1 she was known by Surname2, - most often a previous marriage, but not necessarily so ........

Whether or not the OPR for her marriage to William Semple will show her "condition" is a complete lottery.

David
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ASGROOMBRIDGE
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a spanner

Post by ASGROOMBRIDGE » Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:03 pm

Hi David, :D

Thank you for that, It was his son in law who registered the death using his birth certificate and a cousin'S mother has seen it and it definatley has Finlay on it, but now like everything else seems to have vanished

Think I had better buy the OPR. :!:

Audrey

Why do families have bonfires and burn everything when someone dies I remember my Mum doing the same when my father died. :?: :?: :?:
Looking for McGowan Anderson Fleming Sommerville Waddell in Lanarkshire. Semple Murray Baird Thompson Hutchinson in Annan Dumfriesshire Baird and Hutchinson also in Kirkinner Wigtonshire and Semple family of Annan Glasgow and Edinburgh
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Re: a spanner

Post by DavidWW » Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:18 am

ASGROOMBRIDGE wrote:Hi David, :D

Thank you for that, It was his son in law who registered the death using his birth certificate and a cousin'S mother has seen it and it definatley has Finlay on it, but now like everything else seems to have vanished

Think I had better buy the OPR. :!:

Audrey
Which may or may not help you.

The 1856 death register entry clearly shows her as the daughter of Abraham MURRAY and Agnes MURRAY MS ROBERTSON which tends to rule out the use of a reputed father's name following an illegitimate birth.

Given the first child to William and Lucinda in 1851 and her age at death in 1856 of 27, it's seems unlikely, but not impossible that she was previously married.

Her mother could have remarried of course, but then she's in the 1861 census with Abraham ..............

David
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re spanner in the works

Post by ASGROOMBRIDGE » Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:28 am

David Thank you for that :) :)

oops pressed wrong button.

I have not found them on the 1861, were they still in Annan :roll:

regards
Audrey
Looking for McGowan Anderson Fleming Sommerville Waddell in Lanarkshire. Semple Murray Baird Thompson Hutchinson in Annan Dumfriesshire Baird and Hutchinson also in Kirkinner Wigtonshire and Semple family of Annan Glasgow and Edinburgh
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DavidWW
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Re: re spanner in the works

Post by DavidWW » Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:32 am

ASGROOMBRIDGE wrote:.....snipped..........I have not found them on the 1861, were they still in Annan :roll:

regards
Audrey
Yes. Just search for Abraham MURRAY, - there aren't many in the whole of Scotland, and the place is the same as Lucinda's earlier children and later marriage.

David
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ASGROOMBRIDGE
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re Spanner

Post by ASGROOMBRIDGE » Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:38 am

David Thank you :) :) :)

Audrey
Looking for McGowan Anderson Fleming Sommerville Waddell in Lanarkshire. Semple Murray Baird Thompson Hutchinson in Annan Dumfriesshire Baird and Hutchinson also in Kirkinner Wigtonshire and Semple family of Annan Glasgow and Edinburgh
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Re: re Spanner

Post by DavidWW » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:46 pm

ASGROOMBRIDGE wrote:David Thank you :) :) :)

Audrey
Audrey

Nae Prob! My pleasure !

But when you find the death of Abraham's wife, Agnes, possibly known as Nancy, please let me know, - on his possible 1863 death register entry in Annan, Abraham is shown as "married to" a Nancy, - the only problem being that son James, the informant, gives his mother's maiden name as WATSON on the record for Abraham that I've seen, - but is this the same Abraham :?: :!:

Abraham is a dsitinctly unusual given name in Scotland, ....... but, but, that written, if there was such an ancestral Abraham in or around Annan then it's more than likely that one or more sons would have given a male child that name !!

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RE Not so much the spanner as the whole darn toolbox

Post by ASGROOMBRIDGE » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:41 pm

Hi David,

I am on SP as we speak, both Abraham Murray and His wife Agnes(known as Nancy) were born in Ireland and the only family I have for them are Lucinda and a son John who is on the 1851 Annan census as born in England, but then the border is only eight miles from Annan.

Now for my next trick I once believed that Lucinda Murray's mother was Nancy Watson (possibly from the IGI).

Thanks again,
Audrey
Looking for McGowan Anderson Fleming Sommerville Waddell in Lanarkshire. Semple Murray Baird Thompson Hutchinson in Annan Dumfriesshire Baird and Hutchinson also in Kirkinner Wigtonshire and Semple family of Annan Glasgow and Edinburgh
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DavidWW
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Re: RE Not so much the spanner as the whole darn toolbox

Post by DavidWW » Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:15 am

ASGROOMBRIDGE wrote:Hi David,

I am on SP as we speak, both Abraham Murray and His wife Agnes(known as Nancy) were born in Ireland and the only family I have for them are Lucinda and a son John who is on the 1851 Annan census as born in England, but then the border is only eight miles from Annan.
And widows are well known to have gone back to their area of birth, or earlier residence after the decease of their partner!
ASGROOMBRIDGE wrote:Now for my next trick I once believed that Lucinda Murray's mother was Nancy Watson (possibly from the IGI).

Thanks again,
Audrey
Even when the informant is a close relative, it's far from uncommon for the maiden surname on a death register entry to be wrong. About the only informant who can be 99.5% trusted is a sibling, but there's still that d****d remaining 0.5% :shock:

David
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