Hello Jack
thanks for your message yes all the certs for the brothers has it recorded as Margaret Couper mother .
do you think i have the right James Yuill ?
i am assumning that Cadder Hamilton & Eastkilbride are all very near to one another.
thanks once again Jack your help is appreciated
kind regards maggie
James yuill farmer in 1851 newlands east kilbride .....
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Hello Jack
just to add a bit more confusion i have found another James Yuill? death in 1858 recorded with a Z
James Zuill
widower (can't quite decipher his occupation)
7th march 1858 age 90
parents William Zuill &Isabella Zuill ms Henderson
the address is Bishopbridge western district of Cadder
and the informant is a William Martin grandson.
going by what info i have Jack
James Yool & mary Somerville married in cadder in 1795
they had a daughter margaret in 1799
who married a William Martin (i found a marriage for Margaret & william 08 June 1817 Cadder)
i have found birth details for 3 children using Margaret Yuill & William Martin
Mary Martin born 15/4/1818 Cadder
William Martin born 4/11/1820 Cadder
Margaret Martin born 18/11/1821 Paisley High
but i can't see a birth for Allan Martin b abt 1839 who's marriage to Margaret in 1861 led me on this trail.
Margaret Martin's death in 1881 was in Bishopbridge Western district of Cadder age 81 so she died where she was born .
i have had a look at the 1861 census for Margaret in Cadder
and found her age 61 a widow & a grocer with her is William age 40 an ironstone miner
in the 1871 Margaret is 71 a shopkeeper groceries and with her is William an iron miner but also there is a son James age 42 a labourer at iron pit.
so at the moment i am a bit baffled
kind regards maggie
just to add a bit more confusion i have found another James Yuill? death in 1858 recorded with a Z
James Zuill
widower (can't quite decipher his occupation)
7th march 1858 age 90
parents William Zuill &Isabella Zuill ms Henderson
the address is Bishopbridge western district of Cadder
and the informant is a William Martin grandson.
going by what info i have Jack
James Yool & mary Somerville married in cadder in 1795
they had a daughter margaret in 1799
who married a William Martin (i found a marriage for Margaret & william 08 June 1817 Cadder)
i have found birth details for 3 children using Margaret Yuill & William Martin
Mary Martin born 15/4/1818 Cadder
William Martin born 4/11/1820 Cadder
Margaret Martin born 18/11/1821 Paisley High
but i can't see a birth for Allan Martin b abt 1839 who's marriage to Margaret in 1861 led me on this trail.
Margaret Martin's death in 1881 was in Bishopbridge Western district of Cadder age 81 so she died where she was born .
i have had a look at the 1861 census for Margaret in Cadder
and found her age 61 a widow & a grocer with her is William age 40 an ironstone miner
in the 1871 Margaret is 71 a shopkeeper groceries and with her is William an iron miner but also there is a son James age 42 a labourer at iron pit.
so at the moment i am a bit baffled
kind regards maggie
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Some Yuill OPR births etc
Hi Maggie,
Been baffled myself for the last few days! struggling to make things fit, and now think i was wrong in believing James YUILL married twice.
I'd been toying with that idea because i couldn't find a link with the "Cadder" YUILLS to the "Hamilton / E Kilbride" YUILLs,
Your good find of the 1858 DC for 90yr old James ZUILL stopped my swithering!
Hard to ignore that Gr-son William MARTIN was the informant.
1851 cens 475 Ed 7 p 30 (Campsie) [no details as yet] [now added]
Wester Balgrochan.
James YUILL, head, widower, 83, annuitant, b Old Kilpatrick, DNB
Margt. MARTIN, head, widow, 51, farmer, 20 acres land, b Cadder, LKS
Willm. MARTIN, son, u/m 30, ironstone miner, b Cadder, LKS
James MARTIN, son, u/m 22, carter, b Cadder, LKS
Allan MARTIN, son, 11, handloom weaver (ap), b Campsie, STI
Mary MARTIN, daur, --, 32, servant, b Cadder, LKS
[James (83) was on schedule 128, and Margaret (51) on 129]
&
1861 cens 626-1 Ed 3 p 10 (Cadder - Western)
5 Bishopriggs.
Margaret MARTIN, head, widow, 61, grocer, b Cadder, LKS
William MARTIN, son, u/m 40, ironstone miner, b Cadder, LKS
William YUILE 40 was in Milngavie 1841 - this is only abt 3mls NW of Bishopriggs.
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At the moment we can only make the presumption that Allan MARTIN & Margaret YUILL were 1st cousins.
[i know it's never wise to presume, but unless something else turns up there is no other alternative just now]
Later - does it say cousins or first cousins on their MC?
So IF Allan MARTIN & Margaret YUILL are 1st cousins it would seem Allan's mother Margaret YUILL is a sister to Margaret's father William YUILL.
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There are these births - the snag with this William's 1796 birth is his mother is as MARGARET....
If it had said he was born Cleddens then Margaret could well have been an error, and it shd've said Mary - this would've made a good connection to Margaret b1799.
But it doesn't, and now we are left wondering; though his birth does fit in nicely for being the 1st born after the 26 Mar 1795 marriage.
And as first born he might have been named after his GF William... Just wishful thinking!
OPR 626 Vol 2 Births, Cadder.
p94 William YUIL, 20 Jan 1796. Parents - James YUIL & Margt. SOMERVILLE.
p100 James YOOL, 8 Mar 1798. Parents - James YOOL, farmer in Cleddens & Mary SOMERVILLE.
p105 Margaret YUILL, 23 Sep 1799, Cleddens. Parents - James YUILL & Mary SOMERVILLE.
p115 Isabel YUIL, 13 Jul 1805, Cleddens. Parents - James YUIL & Mary SOMERVILLE.
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I know the following is a long shot for the JAMES YUILL b1798;
but his DC would hopefully confirm or otherwise [i'd forgotten to get the first part of the 1851 details]. [now added]
Auchinloch is abt 3mls East of Bishopriggs.
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1851 cens 626 (628) Ed 5 p 23 (Cadder -Chryston)
Auchinloch.
Janet McDOUGAL, head, widow, 76, retired farmer, b Port Glasgow, RFW
Catherine BURNETT, daur, 30, dressmaker, b Glasgow, LKS
Isabella YUILL, head, widow, 47, seamstress, b Glasgow, LKS
Alexander J. YUILL, son, 9, scholar, b Cadder, LKS
William GOOLD, nephew, 5, ------ b Gourock, RFW
David DREW, head, u/m 45, hand loom weaver, b Cadder, LKS
James YUILL, head, marr, 55, hand loom weaver, b Cadder, LKS
Elisabeth YUILL, wife, marr, 47, ------------ b Cumbernauld, DNB
Elisabeth YUILL, daur, 17, hand loom weaver, b Cadder, LKS
Margaret YUILL, daur, 15, hand loom weaver, b Cadder, LKS
John YUILL, son, 13, hand loom weaver, b Cadder, LKS
/ Jean STEVENSON, head, u/m 75, annuitant, b Cadder, LKS
&
1861 626-2 Ed 5 p 7 (Cadder - East)
West Auchinloch.
// Isabella YUILL, head, widow, 57, seamstress, b St. Enochs, Glasgow
Alexander J. YUILL, son, u/m 19, student, divinity, b Cadder, LKS
John McDOUGAL, brother, u/m 53, j/m baker, b St. Enochs, Glasgow
// Catherine M. DOUGLE [sic], head, u/m 40, dressmaker, b St. Enochs, Glasgow
// David DREW, head, u/m 55, cotton weaver, b Cadder, LKS
// James YUILL, head, marr, 65, cotton weaver, b Cadder, LKS
Elizabeth YUILL, wife, marr, 58, weavers wife, b Cumbernauld, DNB
Elizabeth YUILL, daur, u/m 26, cotton weaver, b Cadder, LKS
Margaret YUILL, daur, u/m 24, cotton weaver, b Cadder, LKS
John YUILL, son, u/m 21, cotton weaver, b Cadder, LKS
// Jane STEVENSON, head, u/m 85, none, b Cadder, LKS
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You were asking about places -
Bishopriggs & Cadder villages are quite close to one another, and abt 3mls N of Glasgow.
East Kilbride & Hamilton are abt 10mls SE of Glasgow; so quite far from Cadder.
But saying that, Cumbernauld (where Margaret YUILL was born abt 1836) isn't near to any of them; it's abt 14mls NE of Glasgow.
A largish scale map is useful to have in front of you; those issued by the OS, AA or RAC are what i usually use.
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It appears that William MARTIN (b1820) is boarding with his older sister Mary in 1881.
THOMAS FERGUS
MARY MARTIN (pas: WILLIAM MARTIN & MARGARET YULE)
Marriage: 18 JUL 1857 Campsie, Stirling, Scotland
&
THOMAS FERGUS
MARY MARTIN
Marriage: 31 JUL 1857 Cadder, Lanark, Scotland
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1861 cens 626-1 Ed 2 p 11 (Cadder - Western)
Cadder.
Thomas FERGUS, head, marr, 44, ironstone miner, b Campsie, STI
Mary FERGUS, wife, marr, 45, ------------- b Cadder, LKS
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1881 Census Place: Cadder, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: High Row
Source: FHL Film 0203618 GRO Ref Volume 626-A1 EnumDist 2 Page 4
Thomas FERGUS M 66 M Campsie, Stirling, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Ironstone Miner
Mary FERGUS M 63 F Cadder, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Ironstone Miner Wife
William MARTIN U 61 M Cadder, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Ironstone Miner
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Jack
Been baffled myself for the last few days! struggling to make things fit, and now think i was wrong in believing James YUILL married twice.
I'd been toying with that idea because i couldn't find a link with the "Cadder" YUILLS to the "Hamilton / E Kilbride" YUILLs,
Your good find of the 1858 DC for 90yr old James ZUILL stopped my swithering!
Hard to ignore that Gr-son William MARTIN was the informant.
1851 cens 475 Ed 7 p 30 (Campsie) [no details as yet] [now added]
Wester Balgrochan.
James YUILL, head, widower, 83, annuitant, b Old Kilpatrick, DNB
Margt. MARTIN, head, widow, 51, farmer, 20 acres land, b Cadder, LKS
Willm. MARTIN, son, u/m 30, ironstone miner, b Cadder, LKS
James MARTIN, son, u/m 22, carter, b Cadder, LKS
Allan MARTIN, son, 11, handloom weaver (ap), b Campsie, STI
Mary MARTIN, daur, --, 32, servant, b Cadder, LKS
[James (83) was on schedule 128, and Margaret (51) on 129]
&
1861 cens 626-1 Ed 3 p 10 (Cadder - Western)
5 Bishopriggs.
Margaret MARTIN, head, widow, 61, grocer, b Cadder, LKS
William MARTIN, son, u/m 40, ironstone miner, b Cadder, LKS
William YUILE 40 was in Milngavie 1841 - this is only abt 3mls NW of Bishopriggs.
--
At the moment we can only make the presumption that Allan MARTIN & Margaret YUILL were 1st cousins.
[i know it's never wise to presume, but unless something else turns up there is no other alternative just now]
Later - does it say cousins or first cousins on their MC?
So IF Allan MARTIN & Margaret YUILL are 1st cousins it would seem Allan's mother Margaret YUILL is a sister to Margaret's father William YUILL.
--
There are these births - the snag with this William's 1796 birth is his mother is as MARGARET....
If it had said he was born Cleddens then Margaret could well have been an error, and it shd've said Mary - this would've made a good connection to Margaret b1799.
But it doesn't, and now we are left wondering; though his birth does fit in nicely for being the 1st born after the 26 Mar 1795 marriage.
And as first born he might have been named after his GF William... Just wishful thinking!
OPR 626 Vol 2 Births, Cadder.
p94 William YUIL, 20 Jan 1796. Parents - James YUIL & Margt. SOMERVILLE.
p100 James YOOL, 8 Mar 1798. Parents - James YOOL, farmer in Cleddens & Mary SOMERVILLE.
p105 Margaret YUILL, 23 Sep 1799, Cleddens. Parents - James YUILL & Mary SOMERVILLE.
p115 Isabel YUIL, 13 Jul 1805, Cleddens. Parents - James YUIL & Mary SOMERVILLE.
==
I know the following is a long shot for the JAMES YUILL b1798;
but his DC would hopefully confirm or otherwise [i'd forgotten to get the first part of the 1851 details]. [now added]
Auchinloch is abt 3mls East of Bishopriggs.
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1851 cens 626 (628) Ed 5 p 23 (Cadder -Chryston)
Auchinloch.
Janet McDOUGAL, head, widow, 76, retired farmer, b Port Glasgow, RFW
Catherine BURNETT, daur, 30, dressmaker, b Glasgow, LKS
Isabella YUILL, head, widow, 47, seamstress, b Glasgow, LKS
Alexander J. YUILL, son, 9, scholar, b Cadder, LKS
William GOOLD, nephew, 5, ------ b Gourock, RFW
David DREW, head, u/m 45, hand loom weaver, b Cadder, LKS
James YUILL, head, marr, 55, hand loom weaver, b Cadder, LKS
Elisabeth YUILL, wife, marr, 47, ------------ b Cumbernauld, DNB
Elisabeth YUILL, daur, 17, hand loom weaver, b Cadder, LKS
Margaret YUILL, daur, 15, hand loom weaver, b Cadder, LKS
John YUILL, son, 13, hand loom weaver, b Cadder, LKS
/ Jean STEVENSON, head, u/m 75, annuitant, b Cadder, LKS
&
1861 626-2 Ed 5 p 7 (Cadder - East)
West Auchinloch.
// Isabella YUILL, head, widow, 57, seamstress, b St. Enochs, Glasgow
Alexander J. YUILL, son, u/m 19, student, divinity, b Cadder, LKS
John McDOUGAL, brother, u/m 53, j/m baker, b St. Enochs, Glasgow
// Catherine M. DOUGLE [sic], head, u/m 40, dressmaker, b St. Enochs, Glasgow
// David DREW, head, u/m 55, cotton weaver, b Cadder, LKS
// James YUILL, head, marr, 65, cotton weaver, b Cadder, LKS
Elizabeth YUILL, wife, marr, 58, weavers wife, b Cumbernauld, DNB
Elizabeth YUILL, daur, u/m 26, cotton weaver, b Cadder, LKS
Margaret YUILL, daur, u/m 24, cotton weaver, b Cadder, LKS
John YUILL, son, u/m 21, cotton weaver, b Cadder, LKS
// Jane STEVENSON, head, u/m 85, none, b Cadder, LKS
==
You were asking about places -
Bishopriggs & Cadder villages are quite close to one another, and abt 3mls N of Glasgow.
East Kilbride & Hamilton are abt 10mls SE of Glasgow; so quite far from Cadder.
But saying that, Cumbernauld (where Margaret YUILL was born abt 1836) isn't near to any of them; it's abt 14mls NE of Glasgow.
A largish scale map is useful to have in front of you; those issued by the OS, AA or RAC are what i usually use.
==
It appears that William MARTIN (b1820) is boarding with his older sister Mary in 1881.
THOMAS FERGUS
MARY MARTIN (pas: WILLIAM MARTIN & MARGARET YULE)
Marriage: 18 JUL 1857 Campsie, Stirling, Scotland
&
THOMAS FERGUS
MARY MARTIN
Marriage: 31 JUL 1857 Cadder, Lanark, Scotland
--
1861 cens 626-1 Ed 2 p 11 (Cadder - Western)
Cadder.
Thomas FERGUS, head, marr, 44, ironstone miner, b Campsie, STI
Mary FERGUS, wife, marr, 45, ------------- b Cadder, LKS
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1881 Census Place: Cadder, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: High Row
Source: FHL Film 0203618 GRO Ref Volume 626-A1 EnumDist 2 Page 4
Thomas FERGUS M 66 M Campsie, Stirling, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Ironstone Miner
Mary FERGUS M 63 F Cadder, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Ironstone Miner Wife
William MARTIN U 61 M Cadder, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Ironstone Miner
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Jack
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hello Jack
just a quick acknowledgement to your message
for which as ever i am very grateful
i will get back to you on this when i get my head around it
as i went looking for James as you suggest and found a John who's details have totally thrown me as the name of Henderson as mother appears but with a father John.so i need to sit & study properly
thanks once again kind regards maggie
just a quick acknowledgement to your message
for which as ever i am very grateful
i will get back to you on this when i get my head around it
as i went looking for James as you suggest and found a John who's details have totally thrown me as the name of Henderson as mother appears but with a father John.so i need to sit & study properly
thanks once again kind regards maggie
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Hi Maggie,
Please mind it is an outside chance for the James YUILLE at Auchinloch in 1851 & 1861.
He may not be the brother at all, but suppose always a chance he's related in some way.
The James b 1798 may have even died young, or if not, moved away from the area altogether.
And here's the Isabella & son Alexander in 1881. I'd guess that Isabella married a brother of this James - she being his sis-in-law.
But this means there's another brother, and this is why i think James really is a bit of a long shot -
especially if you've found his DC and parents aren't as James YUILL & Mary SOMERVILLE.
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1881 Census Place: Cathcart, Renfrew, Scotland
Dwelling: 28 Queen Mary Ave
Source: FHL Film 0203567 GRO Ref Volume 560 EnumDist 9A Page 72
Alexander J. YUILL M 39 M Lenzie, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Minister (...) [Lenzie is just E of Cadder]
Annie B. YUILL M 38 F Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Wife
Elizabeth H. YUILL 9 F Perth, Perth, Scotland Rel: Dau
Isabella YUILL W 79 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Mother
Isabella S. SCOTT U 18 F Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Niece
Annie MC KAY U 16 F Stornaway, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland Rel: Ser Occ: Dom Servant
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Jack
ps, meant to say that the 1795 Cadder marriage of James YUILL & Mary SOMERVILLE didn't mention Cleddens.
Only that they were "Both in this Parish"
And there doesn't appear to be any marriage for a James Yuill & a Margaret Somerville.
--
Please mind it is an outside chance for the James YUILLE at Auchinloch in 1851 & 1861.
He may not be the brother at all, but suppose always a chance he's related in some way.
The James b 1798 may have even died young, or if not, moved away from the area altogether.
And here's the Isabella & son Alexander in 1881. I'd guess that Isabella married a brother of this James - she being his sis-in-law.
But this means there's another brother, and this is why i think James really is a bit of a long shot -
especially if you've found his DC and parents aren't as James YUILL & Mary SOMERVILLE.
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1881 Census Place: Cathcart, Renfrew, Scotland
Dwelling: 28 Queen Mary Ave
Source: FHL Film 0203567 GRO Ref Volume 560 EnumDist 9A Page 72
Alexander J. YUILL M 39 M Lenzie, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Minister (...) [Lenzie is just E of Cadder]
Annie B. YUILL M 38 F Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Wife
Elizabeth H. YUILL 9 F Perth, Perth, Scotland Rel: Dau
Isabella YUILL W 79 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Mother
Isabella S. SCOTT U 18 F Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Niece
Annie MC KAY U 16 F Stornaway, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland Rel: Ser Occ: Dom Servant
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Jack
ps, meant to say that the 1795 Cadder marriage of James YUILL & Mary SOMERVILLE didn't mention Cleddens.
Only that they were "Both in this Parish"
And there doesn't appear to be any marriage for a James Yuill & a Margaret Somerville.
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Hello Jack
i haven't come up with a great deal and not for the want of trying i've been going round in circles
on the IGI i have found a marriage for William Yuil &Isobel Henderson in 1769 glasgow Lanark
found also death for alexander John Yuill 1921(age 19 in the 1861 census with the mother Isobel) his father was a John Yuill recorded as a school master mother Isobel McDougall .i can't see a death for this John .
no sign of a death for James b 1798
the only male between 1861 & 1891using *uill in the cadder area is a John in 1880 aged 79 who's parents are a Margaret Henderson & a John?Yuill .informant a son called Thomas.
There is an Elizabeth Yuill death for 1869 age 65 but there is no image.
looking for deaths of james yuill born 1798 only gave 2 results
a possible for the james in the 1861 census at west Auchinloch is this death in 1884 of a James Yuill age 89 widower of Elizabeth Mackie but his father is a Alexander .
the other one the search gave was for a James ' death in 1870 in avondale but his father was a Arthur.
so no joy to be had there i'm afraid.
i will have another look tomorrow Jack as i haven't even started with Isobel born 1805
thankyou once again kind regards maggie
i haven't come up with a great deal and not for the want of trying i've been going round in circles
on the IGI i have found a marriage for William Yuil &Isobel Henderson in 1769 glasgow Lanark
found also death for alexander John Yuill 1921(age 19 in the 1861 census with the mother Isobel) his father was a John Yuill recorded as a school master mother Isobel McDougall .i can't see a death for this John .
no sign of a death for James b 1798
the only male between 1861 & 1891using *uill in the cadder area is a John in 1880 aged 79 who's parents are a Margaret Henderson & a John?Yuill .informant a son called Thomas.
There is an Elizabeth Yuill death for 1869 age 65 but there is no image.
looking for deaths of james yuill born 1798 only gave 2 results
a possible for the james in the 1861 census at west Auchinloch is this death in 1884 of a James Yuill age 89 widower of Elizabeth Mackie but his father is a Alexander .
the other one the search gave was for a James ' death in 1870 in avondale but his father was a Arthur.
so no joy to be had there i'm afraid.
i will have another look tomorrow Jack as i haven't even started with Isobel born 1805
thankyou once again kind regards maggie
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Hi Maggie,
Here's that James YUILL in 1881; but according to his 1884 DC he isn't a brother to your William & Margaret.
Pity about that, but it was an outside chance. Some of those Yuills are living to a good age!
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1881 Census Place: Cadder, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: In Auchinloch Village
Source: FHL Film 0203618 GRO Ref Volume 626-A2 EnumDist 5 Page 5
James YUILL W 85 M Cadder, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head
Elisabeth YUILL U 44 F Cadder, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Housekeeper
John YUILL U 40 M Cadder, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Genl Lab
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Jack
Here's that James YUILL in 1881; but according to his 1884 DC he isn't a brother to your William & Margaret.
Pity about that, but it was an outside chance. Some of those Yuills are living to a good age!
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1881 Census Place: Cadder, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: In Auchinloch Village
Source: FHL Film 0203618 GRO Ref Volume 626-A2 EnumDist 5 Page 5
James YUILL W 85 M Cadder, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head
Elisabeth YUILL U 44 F Cadder, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Housekeeper
John YUILL U 40 M Cadder, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Genl Lab
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Jack
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hello Jack 
i have found Isobel's death
Isabella Love widow of Robert Love 1880
Grahamshill age 74 parents James Yuille&Mary Yuille ms Somerville
had a look for a marriage for Isabella& Robert nothing found
had a look on the IGI for children and found
Robert Love christening 1835 CampsieStirling
Alexander Love chris.... 1837 Campsie Stirling
John Love 1826 chris....Kilsyth Stirling
i have had a look on the census and have a possible in the 1861
in Bothwell Holytown
it's very faint and a bit hard to decipher
but the head is a Robert can't make out the occupation born stirlingshire
wife Isabella age 55 looks like born ----------- calder
a daur jane age 15 & a grandson possibly James? age 11.
no sign as yet in the 1871.
strange bit is you found the surname love with the Mcnaught /Chalmers
which i am going now to take a look at again Jack
kind regards maggie
i have found Isobel's death
Isabella Love widow of Robert Love 1880
Grahamshill age 74 parents James Yuille&Mary Yuille ms Somerville
had a look for a marriage for Isabella& Robert nothing found
had a look on the IGI for children and found
Robert Love christening 1835 CampsieStirling
Alexander Love chris.... 1837 Campsie Stirling
John Love 1826 chris....Kilsyth Stirling
i have had a look on the census and have a possible in the 1861
in Bothwell Holytown
it's very faint and a bit hard to decipher
but the head is a Robert can't make out the occupation born stirlingshire
wife Isabella age 55 looks like born ----------- calder
a daur jane age 15 & a grandson possibly James? age 11.
no sign as yet in the 1871.
strange bit is you found the surname love with the Mcnaught /Chalmers
which i am going now to take a look at again Jack
kind regards maggie
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1851 & 1861 Love censuses
Hi Maggie,
You are doing well with those DCs! Brief details of 1851.
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1851 cens 625 (652) Ed18 p21 (Bothwell)
Cleland Rd, Holytown.
Robert LOVE, head, marr, 45, coal miner, b Kilsyth, STI
Isabella LOVE, wife, marr, 45, ----------- b Calder, DNB [sic]
William LOVE, son, 19, coal miner, b Campsie, STI
Alexander LOVE, son, 14, coal miner, b Old Monkland, LKS
Margaret LOVE, daur, 10, ------------- b Old Monkland, LKS
Isabella LOVE, daur, 10, -------------- b Old Monkland, LKS
Jean LOVE, daur, 5, ------------------- b Bothwell, LKS
David LOVE, son, 7mos, ------------- b Bothwell, LKS
&
1861 cens 625-2 Ed5 p18 (Bothwell - Holytown)
Mount Pleasant Cottage, Newarthill.
Robert LOVE, head, marr, 55, labourer in coal pit, b Kilsyth, STI
Isabella LOVE, wife, marr, 55, ------------- b Calder, RFW [sic]
Jane LOVE, daur, 15, -------------- b Bothwell, LKS
Jane LOVE, gr-daur, 11, scholar, b Airdrie, LKS
--
So it seems they were possibly in the Coatbridge area 1841.
Will get this 1851, & also look at the 1861 details at one point too. [now added]
Jack
You are doing well with those DCs! Brief details of 1851.
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1851 cens 625 (652) Ed18 p21 (Bothwell)
Cleland Rd, Holytown.
Robert LOVE, head, marr, 45, coal miner, b Kilsyth, STI
Isabella LOVE, wife, marr, 45, ----------- b Calder, DNB [sic]
William LOVE, son, 19, coal miner, b Campsie, STI
Alexander LOVE, son, 14, coal miner, b Old Monkland, LKS
Margaret LOVE, daur, 10, ------------- b Old Monkland, LKS
Isabella LOVE, daur, 10, -------------- b Old Monkland, LKS
Jean LOVE, daur, 5, ------------------- b Bothwell, LKS
David LOVE, son, 7mos, ------------- b Bothwell, LKS
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1861 cens 625-2 Ed5 p18 (Bothwell - Holytown)
Mount Pleasant Cottage, Newarthill.
Robert LOVE, head, marr, 55, labourer in coal pit, b Kilsyth, STI
Isabella LOVE, wife, marr, 55, ------------- b Calder, RFW [sic]
Jane LOVE, daur, 15, -------------- b Bothwell, LKS
Jane LOVE, gr-daur, 11, scholar, b Airdrie, LKS
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So it seems they were possibly in the Coatbridge area 1841.
Will get this 1851, & also look at the 1861 details at one point too. [now added]
Jack
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