1861 - found ? .....

[Tracey]

I need some convincing [-o<

I have had a problem finding my gtx2 grandfather and i think what ive just found may be him because......................... I have found him (?) as a visitor at a farm called Burnlevenut. This place is significant later on (by late 1880,s) as my gtx2 cousin owns it. I dont know exactly when they took the tenancy on but apparently Lady Seafield was impressed and assisted him in building a house (which is now a pile of rubble). I have done marriage and 1871 searches on the the people that he is staying with in 1861 mixing and matching the sir names relevent but cant find a connection.

I do have the 1881 census disc to try and find who was there then as i cant do it on sp ?. Is there a simple way to look by just putting the address in ? as i have put this in and nothing comes up.

Sorry if i am rambling yet again (hard day !) but this was quite an exciting find for me but the only link to prove or disprove its him is via Burnlevenut

Words of encouragement and guidance needed please

[AnnetteR]

Hi Tracey

I don't have my 1881 CDs to hand at the moment but there is a facility that allows you to do an 'advanced query' (without the discs I can't quite remember which icon it is but it is in the same place where you would do a 'neighbour search'). Just type in 'Burnlevenut' and it will pick out all relevant words. I don't expect there will be too many for you to search through. Sorry I can't be clearer but the facility is definately there as I have used it before.

Good Luck

Annette R

[angel]

Hi Tracey

Is this Buckie Moray we are talking about if give me the details and I will look them up tomorrow for you.

Heather

[LesleyB]

Hi Tracey
I had a look on 1881 census disks for 'Burnlevenut' but it didn't come up with anything. Maybe I'm just having a "thick" moment. Can you tell me where it is - which county? And have there been other ways you are aware of that it has been spelt?

best wishes
Lesley

[Tracey]

Hi All

Im getting so frustrated as your all on and i have to go out !!! ahhhhhhhh

Lesley its in Rathven. Ive looked through the disc and the sourrounding crofts are on it but not that. Its neighbour in 1861 was Hill Head in 1891 Blinkbonny and Mosshead.

Screaming as i go................Back on about 10 ish


Thank you

[Tracey]

Hi Heather

This one is my gtx2 grandfather, a stray from all those poor relief records you found for me. Its been a long time since i had to try and prove a finding on a census. His age and birth place is right and as the place is Burnlevenut in Rathven and his cousin owned it from the mid to late 1880,s i got happy ! must be something there. I just dont know who he is staying with and whether they kept Burnlevenut up till his cousin Andrew took it on.
1861
James Lawrence head age 52 born Dyce
Isobel M (?) wife aged 54 born Fordyce ( looking at the name i now wonder if his grandmother remarried ? i cant find her death yet either so maybe thats why ! but then again i think she would be seriously lying about ther age )
Jessie Morrison Servant age 13 born Fordyce
Wm Donaldson Visitor age 14 born Rathven.
I havnt checked the 1871 (ran out of credits) and no sight of Burnlevenut on 1881.

Hi Lesley
On everything i have from census to bmd,s and old personal letters i havnt noticed a spelling variation yet.

Thank you to all

[sporran]

Hello Tracey,


the place is on a map from 1870 as Burnlivenet. It can be found on http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ at co-ordinates 347344,863223. It was about 3 miles south-east of Rathven towards Deskford.

In 1861 there is James Lawrence and Isobel M Do. (for ditto). The same couple can be found in 1881 as James and Bell Lawrence at Bin Croft, which may be a mis-transcription of Burnlivenet (I have seen worse!). However, Wester Darbreich was the next place on the 1861 round but is now 4 pages away, so perhaps someone with the 1881 CDs can check.


Regards,

John

[DavidWW]

As TS has come to expect, a "tour de force" by Sporran to locate this place

For those of us less skilled in the usage of old maps site, can we please, pretty please, have some clues as to how it was possible to locate the address

BTW, in the 1861 census entry I'd read the entry as "Burn levanet"

In 1871 it's "Burn Levenet", - still James and Isa, but the surname has been transcribed as LAWRANCE, - the entry is immediately preceded by Hill Head, still the WRIGHTs, and followed on by Darbeigh, still Alexr SMITH and family, - "East" and "West" combined ??

By 1891 James is a widower aged 80 living as a boarder in the household of Cathrine HORN, a crofter, at Hornscroft in Rathven. There's nothing on Burnlevenet on the pages immediately before or after.

Isabella's death register entry shows her address as Burnlivenet, Rathven.

James only survived his wife by a couple of years, and the informant on his death register entry was the Inspector of Poor.

David

[sporran]

Hello David,


more a "tour de patience" than a "tour de force". I looked at the 1861 census and noted the properties on each side of the enumerator's walk, then I went to the map and spiralled outwards from Rathven until I found one of them. Unfortunately, the engine for the maps seems to give up after a handful of moves, so I had to re-enter the site, which is where the patience comes in.


Regards,

John

[setait]

Could this be it mistranscribed in 1881?

Dwelling: Badenhanan
Census Place: Rathven, Banff, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203442 GRO Ref Volume 164 EnumDist 10 Page 4
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John RIDDOCH M 54 M Deskford, Banff, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Farm Of 35 Acres
Elizabeth RIDDOCH M 44 F Grange, Banff, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Jane RIDDOCH W 85 F Grange, Banff, Scotland
Rel: Mother
Occ: Crofters Wife (?)
Isabella OGG 9 F Cullen, Banff, Scotland
Rel: Niece
Occ: Scholar
James RIDDOCH U 14 M Rathven, Banff, Scotland
Rel: Serv
Occ: Servant

Right next door is Saughs (see Sporran's map) an on the previous page is W Darbreich.

The full entry for the James and Bell Lawrence in 1881 that Sporran found is:

Dwelling: Bin Croft
Census Place: Rathven, Banff, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203442 GRO Ref Volume 164 EnumDist 10 Page 7
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
James LAWRENCE M 71 M Dyce, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Crofter 16 Acres
Bell LAWRENCE M 74 F Portsoy, Banff, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Occ: Wife

which is three pages away.

Sheena