Help with census please .....

ladybird · Post by **ladybird** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 8:02 am

Hi folks and a Happy New Year to you all....hope you've all got your toes dug in for a hard year at the pit face.

We had a very quiet celebration, just me and the hubby. Still getting over having all the family for Christmas I think

Can anyone decipher the last name (the daughter) and the place of birth on this census entry please

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... p?pos=-339

I can see it's Cambuslang but what's the bit before it??
cheers Sylvia

CatrionaL · Post by **CatrionaL** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:04 am

Good morning, Ladybird

A Happy New Year tio you.

The word before Cambuslang is Lanarkshire. I think Carnwath is also mentionned on the line below Cambuslang.
I would guess that the daughter is called Marion Thomson.

Wishing you many succesful searches in 2006

Catriona

Miss Poohs · Post by **Miss Poohs** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:09 am

I'd the place is Lanarkshire, and the name is Marion.

What do you say?

Me and Catriona posted at the same time there, I didn't see her addition until, mine had posted, hence the edit.

ladybird · Post by **ladybird** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:42 am

Thanks for that.
I was thinking Mavis at first but it seemed to have too many letters.....and I'd never have thought of Lanarkshire

Does help if you know your Scottish geography I suppose

Sylvia

Post by **AndrewP** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:50 am

Hi Sylvia,

I would agree that the last entry in that group is Marion Thomson, but I am not convinced of her birthplace as Lanarkshire, Carnwath. My feeling is that it is mis-spelled and should be Lanarkshire, Carmunnock.

Lanarkshire, Cambuslang is only the birthplace of the head of the household. The others are all Lanarkshire, Carmunnock (I believe).

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

ladybird · Post by **ladybird** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:04 am

hmmm? This one on the IGI looks hopeful

ANN HAMILTON
Birth: 21 MAY 1855 Carmunnock, Lanark, Scotland
Parents:
Father: ALEXANDER HAMILTON Family
Mother: AGNES ORR

Post by **AndrewP** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:20 am

Hi Sylvia,

This looks like the family in the 1881 census.

Dwelling: Chapelpark
Census Place: Cambuslang, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203619 GRO Ref Volume 627 EnumDist 4 Page 28
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
James THOMSON M 28 M Cambuslang, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Flesher (Master)
Annie THOMSON M 25 F Carmunnock, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Wife
John THOMSON 3 M Cambuslang, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Agnes THOMSON 2 m F Cambuslang, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur

This gives a conflict of the childrens' birthplaces compared to the 1901 census entries that you have shown. I would wonder if the ditto in the 1901 census should have meant ditto of the father's birthplace of Cambuslang, rather than the mother's birthplace of Carmunnock.

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

ladybird · Post by **ladybird** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:37 am

I'm not sure if this is the same family Andrew.
What's a flesher??
According to their son Daniel's marriage, James was a Shale miner in Linlithgow

1901 census
Elmsbank
James Thomson, head, 48, Shale miner. Lanarkshire, Cambuslang
Annie Thomson, wife, 46, Lanarkshire, Carnwath (?)
JohnThomson, 23, son, Shale miner's labourer
Robt. Thomson, so, 18, Shale miner's labourer
Marion Thomson, daughter, 17, Pupil teacher
Daniel Thomson, son, 14, Shale miner's labourer
David Thomson, son, 12
Alex Thomson, son, 8
Alfred Thomson, son, 6
Thomas Thomson, son, 4
ECCLESMACHAN /WEST LOTHIAN 666/00 003/00 008
Registration District 666
Enumeration district 3

ladybird · Post by **ladybird** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:42 am

Daughter Agnes would explain the big year gap between sons John and Robert.

John THOMSON 3 M Cambuslang, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son ....shoulkd this be 3 years old????
Agnes THOMSON 2 m F Cambuslang, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur

Post by **AndrewP** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:46 am

Hi Sylvia,

I noticed the significant change in occupation from master flesher (butcher) to shale miner, but I think there is a lot of commonality between the the two family groups for them not to be the same lot.

The names James, Annie and John; the ages of James, Annie and John; the birthplaces of James and Annie; the 1881 address of Cambuslang are all very co-incident, so my string feeling is that these are the same family.

On the 1901 census, are all of the children born ditto of the mother - Carmunnock (which I strongly suspect should be ditto of the father - Cambuslang)? Have you found them in the 1891 census yet? If so, where were they then? What were the birthplaces? And what was the father's occupation then?

ladybird wrote:John THOMSON 3 M Cambuslang, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son ....should this be 3 years old????
Agnes THOMSON 2 m F Cambuslang, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur

The explanation is for John 3 M is for age 3, male (see F for female for Agnes). 2m for 2 months old for Agnes.

All the best,

Andrew Paterson