Missing from 1901 census .....

[ninatoo]

Hi all,

I have searched for the following people on the 1901 census and cannot find them anywhere. SP has gobbled up enough of my credits on this one; I have used so many combinations of the name and ages I am going batty! Maybe someone else here can work out a way to find them?

To explain a little, Margaret Carroll mentioned below was widowed in 1896 and remarried to John Carroll in Dundee in 1900. On the night of the 1901, she appears to have left all but one of her six children with their grandparents, Hugh and Mary Logan in Glasgow. One of the middle children, Sarah is not there. So I am presuming she is with the mother and new husband, as I know she didn't die (lived to a good old age in fact).

So I am looking for

John Carroll, Head, Labourer, aged about 35, place of birth unknown.
Margaret Carroll, Wife, aged about 33, born Glasgow.
Sarah Logan, Step-daughter, aged about 9, born Glasgow.

Any hints? Help?

Thanks for reading,

Nina

[CatrionaL]

Hullo Nina

I heartily sympathise.

But may I just ask if, in your searches on the 1901 Census, you looked for

Sara* Logan aged 7 to 10 years?

SP gives three, one of which is in Glasgow, another in Lanarkshire.

Perhaps yours perhaps not!

Catriona

[JimM]

Hi Nina and Catriona
If you continue with the "free" search on SP for the Sara* Logan in Glasgow.

Sara* Logan age 10 Bridgeton
there is also a John Carroll in Bridgeton but he is 38
and a Margaret Carroll in Bridgeton aged 36.

Don't have any credits to check if they are on the same page

Jim

[ninatoo]

Thanks for the replies Catriona and Jim,

Catriona I did search for Sarah and looked at those entries for Sarah and they are not mine. She is listed as daughter at all three and the names of her parents don't match. Thanks for looking anyway.

Jim, I haven't gone up that far in ages in my search for Margaret or John, mainly because Margaret's age has been exactly correct in every other census and in her two marriage registrations, so I thought she may yet again be correct in her age. Besides that would be putting her age UP, and most ladies brought it DOWN, hehe! I will investigate that however I have to wait until next month's budget before I go looking again. I appreciate your help!

Nina

[ninatoo]

Thought I would update you on this topic.

On talking with my mother about this, she spoke of her grandfather's STEP sister Sarah Logan. Just casually dropped it into the conversation!!! We discussed this, and I realised that the Sarah Logan b. 1892 may have died and Margaret may have had another Sarah after marrying John Carroll. It seemed unlikely to my mother, as she had always known her aunt as Aunty Sarah LOGAN.

Well, she did know the aunt's married name, so I searched for it...and found it!

Sarah Carroll married Alexander Austin in 1929, and puts her age at 19, so she wasn't even born in 1901. So I did a death search for Sarah Logan b. 1892...and yep, the child died at six months of age.

This still doesn't explain to me where Margaret Carroll and her new husband were in the 1901...I still can't find them! At the time of marriage in Dundee 1900 Margaret was a jute paperer and John was a labourer. It seems Margaret's mother in law Mary Logan was a witness at the marriage, so I don't think she just ran off and left her children with their Logan grandparents in Glasgow...but I am not having any luck finding her or new hubby in the 1901. I searched every Margaret Carroll now using Ma* Carroll for all of Scotland...nothing fits!

Oh well, so while I cleared up one mystery, another mystery remains!

Nina

[ninatoo]

Hi all,

I am still looking for John Carroll and his wife Margaret in the 1901 census but I can't find them, so I am still looking for a bit of help.

Going over the facts as I know them, in 1900 according to their marriage certificate they lived at 19 Union Place, Lochee, Dundee. John Carroll was born about 1865, place unknown, (but likely to be Glasgow Scotland since his mother and sister were born in there - I have found them without a problem!) and according to his marriage registration to Margaret in 1900 was a labourer.

Margaret was born in 1868 in Glasgow and on the marriage certificate she was a jute preparer or paperer. Margaret had several children from a first marriage, but all of them are with their grandparents in Glasgow in this census.

Is there anyone who can help?

Nina

[mallog]

I've never found my grandparents in the 1901 census even though I found their children. I'm assuming it is something to do with the Boer War. In the Census there is a child b.1899 living with their children who was born in India and whose parents married in South Africa. Although she shares the same surname I haven't connected her to the family yet.

I don't know if the wives could go with the men at that time.

[emanday]

I've never found my grandparents in the 1901 census even though I found their children. I'm assuming it is something to do with the Boer War. In the Census there is a child b.1899 living with their children who was born in India and whose parents married in South Africa. Although she shares the same surname I haven't connected her to the family yet.

I don't know if the wives could go with the men at that time.

My GG Grandfather's brother was born in Mauritius in 1859 while their father was serving there with the 5th Regiment Of Foot. I thought he must have been an officer, but he was only a Private.

I'm also sure I've seen a post somewhere about a child being born in SA during the Boer War which is some time later. Can't remember whether it was here or another forum.

[ninatoo]

Thanks Mallog and emanday. I never thought of the Boer War. Now I will be looking forward to the 1911 census to see if they had any children born overseas. I do know that when John died he wasn't a 'pensioner' but he was only 58 when he died.

Thanks for the help!

Nina

[David Lang]

Nina

Have you tired wildcarding the surname , i know 2 Carroll's one is 2 "r"s and 2 "l"s and the other is 1 "r" and 2 "l"s , just a wee thought.