GtGt grandparents mother

rita · Post by **rita** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:45 pm

Robert Bell married Jane Reilly Co Down Ireland their children were also born there.
1891 census they are in Ayrshire.
On Jane's death cert her mother is listed as Hannah Lawson and as I thought the name was familiar I looked at Robert's death cert and found his mother has that name as well was this a mistake of son James who was present at both deaths? (thought you needed birth certs to record deaths) or possibly cousins with the same name?
Rita

hudggy · Post by **hudggy** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:13 pm

Hi Rita,

I have received my great Grandfather and great grandmothers wedding certificate on my mothers side. It has my Great grandfather as his own father and an aunt on his mother's side as his mother so mistakes do happen especally when people could not read to see what was put on Certificates.

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:05 pm

rita wrote:Robert Bell married Jane Reilly Co Down Ireland their children were also born there.
1891 census they are in Ayrshire.
On Jane's death cert her mother is listed as Hannah Lawson and as I thought the name was familiar I looked at Robert's death cert and found his mother has that name as well was this a mistake of son James who was present at both deaths? (thought you needed birth certs to record deaths) or possibly cousins with the same name?
Rita

Hello Rita,

Nothing to offer I'm afraid.

I thought if I found them on the 1881 census there might be a chance of parents being neighbours but no luck.
Here is the family anyway in case you don't have it.

Dwelling: Peter Street Priv Ho
Census Place: Dundonald, Ayr, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203599 GRO Ref Volume 595 EnumDist 8 Page 51
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Robert BELL M 50 M Ireland
Rel: Head
Occ: Labr (Chemical)
Jane BELL M 45 F Ireland
Rel: Wife
John BELL 14 M Ireland
Rel: Son
Occ: Labr (Chemical
Hannah BELL 13 F Ireland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Margaret BELL 10 F Ireland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Mary Jane BELL 10 F Ireland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Robert MC CRUMB M 54 M Ireland
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Labr
Robert DEVONPORT U 20 M Ireland
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Labr

regards,
Annette M

Russell · Post by **Russell** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:34 pm

Hello Rita

Who had Birth certificates in those days?
The Minister or Registrar just had to believe what people told them which made a perfect opportunity to tell a little white lie or two about your age if you were getting maried. Marriage certificates are no more, or less, accurate than other records,
Even into the 1940's there were children at my Primary school who were illiterate, Nothing to do with intelligence ; just that their parents followed the harvest, the tattie-howkin', the 'singlin' of beet or turnip. The kids had to go too and were often put to work in the fields alongside their parents when they should have been at school.
A bit of paper(a certificate) would have been used to light a cigarette or pipe. and they often couldn't even tell you their date of birth.
Russell

rita · Post by **rita** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:41 am

Thanks for your replies Annete and Russel your probably right about
the certificates probably James didn't know her name as the parents would most likely have stayed behind in Ireland.
I must thank you Annete for the 1881 census as we have all the info on the family after the 1891 census apart from Sarah Ann who was born in Ireland 1870 but looking at the details you gave I notice she is not there
so maybe she died in Ireland son James was married 1880.
I think possibly Hannah Lawson was Robert's mother as there is a possible marriage on the IGI for a James Bell and Hannah (no last name) Robert's father was called James.
Thanks again
Rita

rita · Post by **rita** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 11:13 am

Hi Hudggy
Sorry I didn't notice your reply
Thanks for the input
Sorry for my ignorance but what is a Hudggy?
Rita

Scozzie · Post by **Scozzie** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 11:41 am

Hi Russell - I see you are looking for Millar/Miller. So am I. My great-grandmother was Mary Millar born 1869 in Kilbarchan. Her parents were John Millar born Greenock & Jean (known as Helen) Bell.

Post by **joette** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:01 pm

Rita a Hudggy is basically jumping on the back of a moving vehicle & having a "wee hudggy"- usually boys indulged in this pastime & even occasionaly would don roller skates for this exploit.They would hold on for dear life & last off was the winner.
As you can imagine a few ended up dead or injured! Off course that could have been parental propaganda as I never knew anybody that came amiss from this exploit & I always wished I had the neccesary motor(no pun intended.)skills to do it myself.

rita · Post by **rita** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:18 pm

Thanks for that Joette
I see it now kids hanging on the back of busses etc.
The nearest I got to that was getting lifts on the back of my brother's
motor bike (much safer I think) we called that a "Backy" the same when
we didn't all have cycles and took turns on the fortunate person's bike to
have " Backies".
Regards Rita.

hudggy · Post by **hudggy** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 3:32 pm

I got the nick name because I was nearly always the last to let go had a few bad scrapes but no broken bones, not sure about the heed though.
It is exactly as Joette explained just took a wee bit of nerve and big bit of maddness would not think of trying it now or let any of my gran wains do it.
Regards Hudggy

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