Mary Oliver with children in 1851 census .....

maggie · Post by **maggie** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:13 pm

Hello
can anyone help me with a look up for a Mary Oliver ms Galbraith with the following Children in the 1851 census .I have the family in the 1841 census in Bute

Mary 25 born outside census county (found to be -born bridge of Johnston Paisley)
Elizabeth 6
Robert 4
archibald 2

in this one there is a husband Samuel age 30 a merchant seaman
in the 1851 there would be 2 more children Samuel & William .
Samuel is dead before 1855 when Mary remarries in Rothesay.
but i'd like to find where the family where living in 1851 if possible . I know from 1861 what became of them all .
kind regards maggie

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:04 pm

Hi Maggie
Came across this older post. Since the 1851 is now online, just wondered if you found them?

Best wishes
Lesley

maggie · Post by **maggie** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:37 pm

Hello Lesley
thankyou for your message
NO i can't seem to find them anywhere

i have searched & re-searched for them and not a sign
there is only 6 Archibald Olivers and mine is not there (there is one showing in Bute but he i think is the "cousin" of the Archibald I am looking for .
There is only 4 Samuels and none of them are mine
they just all seem to have vanished after 1841 census and don't re-appear till the 1861 although they where back in Rothesay in 1855 when the mother re-married.
maybe one day they will turn up

kind regards maggie

edit it was Samuel the father that was dead before 1855 not the son otherwise i wouldn't be sat here today

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:53 pm

Hi Maggie
Is the one you checked (the cousin), this one?
1851 OLIVER ARCHIBALD M 10 CUMBRAE /BUTE 552/00 001/00 025

I'd tried *l*v*r* just incase the surname was misplled or transcribed but there was still only that one in Bute....
Found a Samuel Glover (misheard or mistranscribed?) aged 11 and got all excited, he was a boarder at a school with what looks like his brother William - but this William is 14, so older, not younger than Samuel which is the order in your family:

ARCHIBALD OLIVER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 19 MAY 1839 Christening: 28 JUL 1839 Cumbrae, Bute

SAMUEL OLIVER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 17 JUL 1841 Christening: 25 JUL 1841 Cumbrae, Bute

WILLIAM OLIVER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 07 SEP 1845 Christening: OCT 1845 Kingarth, Bute

Best wishes
Lesley

maggie · Post by **maggie** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:03 pm

Hello Lesley
yes that's the one with his mother Catherine sister Robina etc .i followed them up in the hope that i could have found something on the husband/dad in the 1841 which could./ would have led me back to who my Olivers are.
kind regards maggie

edit

Elesebeth/Elizabeth age 6 in the 1841 census
robert age 4 in 1841 census
Archibald 2 in the 1841 census
Samuel 1841 17th july cr
William 7th sep 1845cr
Elesebeth married in 1856 in Bridgeton and went to Australia
i have followed her life there.
Robert went to America last trace of family 1930
Samuel married elizabeth Chalmers
William i have never found .

grannysrock · Post by **grannysrock** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:19 am

Hi Maggie and Lesley

Reading your posts, I remembered that 1851 Bute is on Freecen and that Freecen unlike SP allows searching by forename only ( barring timeouts) -could this be them ?

Piece: SCT1851/558 Place: Rothesay-Bute Enumeration District: 7
Civil Parish: Rothesay Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Rothesay
Folio: 0 Page: 8 Schedule: 32
Address: 27 Columshill Street

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Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
CLIFORT Mary Head W F 40 Pauper, Formerly Servant Renfrewshire - Johnston
CLIFORT Elizabeth Dau U F 16 Power Loom Weaver (Cotton) Ayrshire - Irvine
CLIFORT Robert Son U M 14 Cotton Piecer Bute - Cumbray
CLIFORT Archibald Son U M 12 Scholar Bute - Cumbray
CLIFORT Samuel Son - M 10 Scholar Bute - Cumbray
CLIFORT John A. Son - M 3 Bute - Rothesay

If that is the family , then I think they are on SP as Clifford !

Sally

maggie · Post by **maggie** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:58 am

Hello Sally
thankyou for taking the time to try and help me it's appreciated
I have had a look on sp and purchased the census and i don't really know what to make of it
the birth area's match what i am looking for
but i didn't have a John A

and there is no William

this family dosen't seem to be in the area in the 1861
Hmn.... how do i check this one out
more head scratching is required
thankyou once again
kind regards maggie

Andy · Post by **Andy** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:49 pm

Cancelled due to not reading carefully

grannysrock · Post by **grannysrock** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 2:29 pm

Mary
I hope I haven't added even more confusion - I just thought that perhaps inspection of the actual census would determine whether the C in Clifort could have been an 'O' ., ie the family had been enumerated with a "variant" spelling like Olifer.

If it were the same family and you know for a fact that William survived , then the only explanation I could come up with was that he was with relatives or friends on census night. "John A." could have died before 1855 and thus not figure on any further records.

Sally

maggie · Post by **maggie** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:27 pm

hello Sally
don't worry about confusing me it dosen't take much

thankyou for your help .
I have never found William other than on the IGI for a birth to parents
Samuel Oliver & Mary Galbraith.so maybe he didn't survive

I have been trying to upload the image of the census to the gallery without much success at the moment it just keeps on saying the file is too large even though i have it scanned down to just being the entry for the family i will keep trying .If i do manage to get it posted you can see if you think it could be an O though there isn't much to compare it with.
thanks once again
kind regards maggie

edit
i think it's gone to the gallery