Park/ Renfrew .....

[marva]

I have gr gr grandkparents: Alexander Park b 1811 d 1888 m Mary Boyd 1845.

Children: Margaret, b 1855 on her certificate it states 1 boy, 1 girl living (Presume Margaret) 2 boys, 3 girls dead. I have found 2 children: Alexander and Robert after Margaret was born, but cannot find any of the other children. I have went by the naming order, but find nothing. All I have found were b m d in Renfrew, Renfrew except Mary Boyd born Port Glasgow. Since there is a ten year span from marriage to Margaret's birth I am assuming there should be 6 children born before Margaret. I do not have access to 1851 census, if someone could see if they are on there or give me an idea as to where to look other than SP.

Thanks so much

[DavidWW]

I have gr gr grandkparents: Alexander Park b 1811 d 1888 m Mary Boyd 1845.

Children: Margaret, b 1855 on her certificate it states 1 boy, 1 girl living (Presume Margaret) 2 boys, 3 girls dead. I have found 2 children: Alexander and Robert after Margaret was born, but cannot find any of the other children. I have went by the naming order, but find nothing. All I have found were b m d in Renfrew, Renfrew except Mary Boyd born Port Glasgow. Since there is a ten year span from marriage to Margaret's birth I am assuming there should be 6 children born before Margaret. I do not have access to 1851 census, if someone could see if they are on there or give me an idea as to where to look other than SP.

Thanks so much

Marva

In this case you are correct, i.e. the "1 girl living" has to be Margaret, If you look under Mary's name, you will see that it says "her 7th child", 1 + 1 +2 +3 = 7, but that's not the way it was supposed to be. The numbers were supposed to relate to previous children, so that this entry should have read "1 boy living, 2 boys and 3 girls deceased" with Margaret being number 7..... but some registrars interpreted the rule so that the subject of the 1855 birth register entry was included.

We'll need to wait and see if someone can find the family in 1851.

The only other possibilities are MI (tombstone) records but it's doubtful if an agricultural labourer could afford a tombstone, and maybe lair records.

Davie

[Jack]

Hi Marva,
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1851 cens 575 (476) Ed 3 p 2 (Renfrew)
Canal St.
Alexander PARK, head, marr, 37, agricultural labourer, b Renfrew
Mary PARK, wife, 23, laundress, b Port Glasgow
Margaret PARK, daur, 4, ------ b Paisley
James PARK, son, 2, ------- b Paisley
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Alas you've still some names to find - might be difficult though.

Jack

[marva]

I figured Margaret, age 4 on the census must be a daughter that died before Margaret #2 in 1855. So I checked SP for Margaret born 1846-1848 she's not there. I previously had looked and checked 1845-1855 just under Renfrew, not there. Well, now I have a name but no dates. Then I checked for James Age 2 1848-50 not there. Previsously had checked as James was he fathers fathers name and check 1845-55 as the living boy, still couldn't find him. But I do have a name for sure.

I also had checked Alexander as one of the deceased boys as this was mothers fathers name and also husbands( second & third sons born in naming pattern) Then checked Robert as 4th sons name (fathers eldest brothers name)

As for the three girls deceased, I figure their names to be, Elizabeth, after mothers mother. Second girl Agnes, after fathers mother. Third girl Mary, after mother. I have checked all these 1845-1855 and can find none.

Thanks so much for your help, at least I have 2 names more than I had.

Marva

[marva]

Davie,

As for tombstones, I'm with you. I don't believe my people could afford them. The only one I have is for my grandparents, of which my mom had a picture of in Arkelston Cemetery. Some time back a nice gent who lived near the cemetery stopped by on his way home from work and found the marker, after I had sent him a picture. He so nicely took another snap of it and my mom's brothers inscription was on it. But I have never found another marker for anyone else. I wonder if they have books of MI for this area like they do of Kincardinshire, which I have, this is where my Dad was from.

Marva

[marva]

Davie,

I went further into some of the messages on this site and found where to get books. I think I'll try Renfrewshire and Dunbartonshire, I think that should about cover my mom's families locations. I'll just be sending some of my money back to Scotland after the many times my mom bailed me out when it was needed.

Marva

[Jack]

Hi Marva,

Forgot to mention that i'd looked at the pre-1855 MIs for Paisley, Port Glasgow & Renfrew but nothing to suit.
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No harm in e-mailing Local Studies at the Paisley Reference Library to see if Alexander ever made an application for Poor Relief.
According to birth places of Margaret & James the family were in Paisley prior to 1851.
http://www.renfrewshire.gov.uk/Web/Live ... enDocument

But please don't build up your hopes too much as it really is an outside chance.
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Also meant to say that i'll have a look at 1861 Renfrew census at some point - i was unable to do this yesterday.
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I notice the 1845 marriage of Alexander & Mary has an LDS submission - so someone else has an interest in your GG-Gparents.

Jack

[marva]

Hi Jack,

Greetings from mid-Michigan, in the midst of a snow blizzard again. We are expecting 6-8 inches of snow by mid night and freezing rain after that. We have had a very cold and snowy year this year. And our first winter here in 12 years as we had been spending winters in Florida. I hear its 80 degrees and better down there. Well, I can dream.

I have e mailed Paisly Reference Library regarding application for poor relief. Mary Boyd died 1886 Renfield Home, Glasgow. Do you know was this a poor house? On the 1881 census she is listed as being born in Port Glasgow, but have not found her birth yet.

Are you in Paisley? My Mom was born at 77 Hairst Street, Renfrew, do you know the area?

Marva

[Jack]

Hi Marva,

Sounds like you're in for a rather chilly time - i'd start the packing

Haven't a clue what Renfield Home in Glasgow was. Did Mary definitely die there? It's just that i see she's in Renfield Lane, Renfrew in 1881. Quite a coincidence on the name!
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1881 Census Place: Renfrew, Renfrew, Scotland
Dwelling: 1 Renfield Lane
Source: FHL Film 0203587 GRO Ref Volume 575 EnumDist 5 Page 35
Alexander PARK M 60 M Renfrew, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: General Labourer (Out Of Employ)
Mary PARK M 60 F Port Glasgow, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Wife
Alexander PARK U 33 M Renfrew, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Iron Moulder
Robert PARK U 17 M Renfrew, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Iron Turner (App)
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I've travelled through Hairst St very often on my way to and from Paisley. If you'd like a photie of no.77 just let me know - it's no bother to take one. I now live in Clydebank, but lived all my younger days in Paisley.
The reason i now say Paisley after my name is that when i had Clydebank quite a few folk wrote asking me questions about the town & its people. I had to disappoint so many - so that's why i had to change it. At least i know a wee bit more about Paisley after living in the town - but it has been altered dramatically; sadly not all for the better.
One instance - early in the 1970s the Council, in their "wisdom", demolished the Old County Buildings & Town Jail (built 1818) and put a concrete monstrosity of a multi-level car park / shopping mall (The Piazza) in its place. The old building was built like a large castle and would've made a great tourist attraction - but because of short thinking town councillors & planners it is now too late....

Jack

[WilmaM]

Hi Jack,
Are you in Paisley? My Mom was born at 77 Hairst Street, Renfrew, do you know the area?
Marva

marva , have a look at http://www.freewebs.com/renfrew/ for some old photos of Renfrew.
Look at Photos and on page2 there are a few of Hairst street at various times. Sadly the photos aren't labeled but if they are postcards it's printed on the photo.