From Where did they come.....

[Isabel]

Hi everybody
I thought seen that you talkingscots helped me to find my 4xggrandfather
I would ask your advice.
Fileppo Rossini born Italy
married 1819 Cannongate Edinburgh to
Martha Abercrombie b 1800 Cannongate Edinburgh father Charles mother
Mary Nicol they married in Chester ,Cheshire in 1784.
My problem is I dont know where Fileppo,Charles or Mary where born or
who their parents are,has my tree been stumped,I dont know where to go
from here is there any records for people coming into Scotland from other countries and if so where would he have docked and did he have other family with him Ive run out of ideas HELP PLEASE

[Russell]

Hi Isabel

Have you tried to find them on the 1841 census?
It doesn't matter where you are from to a census enumerator. If you are able to find them you may be in luck and have a town entered as well as Italy for Fileppo.

Most of the 1841 census is available on http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl although I noticed that their site was down a few minutes ago.
You may find that looking for Martha Rossini will pay off rather than Fileppo as the search engine is geared to find the exact spelling of a name. I have had better results if I don't put in birthplace and search all parishes - in this case Midlothian.
Hope this works for you

Russell

[Isabel]

Thankyou Russell for your reply
I have been looking on 1841 freecen no matter how I put spelling no results,I know the must have gone to live in Glasgow because thats where
their children were born Antonio 1823 Philip 1833 they are on 1851.61,census.I have fileppos medical notes from Garnaval Asylum and
it just says born Italy no parents names.
I also tried for a death cert but there isnt one.
On family search there is 2 martha Abercrombies one marrying fileppo Racine and one marrying Antonio Rossini Ive been to my nearest LDS and
searched the parish records and found her marriage to fileppo but I forgot to look for the other its so frustrating because here in England you
cant seem to get bmd at LDS for Scotland record only what you can veiw at home on the net the computers in England are not programed to show
Scotland bmd but they have a full wallet of them but I will try freecen again thanks again.
Isabel

[rdem]

I tried a wild card for Fillepo Rossini, it turned up a Phillip Rossini who died in Edinburgh in 1861 17 years old. Could he be another relative?

[LesleyB]

Hi Isabel
If you imagine someone saying Rossini it could easily be written down by someone as "fileppo Racine" . You need to keep an open mind on the spelling for this one I think!

You can order any microfilm you wish to see through your local LDS for a small fee. OPRs, census etc. I think its around £2 or £2.50 to do this.

Best wishes
Lesley

[Isabel]

Thankyou rdem and Leslie
Thankyou for your replies and yes Phillip was the grandson of Fileppo his
father was Antonio Rossini and his mother as Isabella Bishop but I dont
know why he would be in Edinburgh as his family are living in Glasgow.
In 1851 census philip was in Glasgow with his parents.
I will ask over at LDS to veiw the 1841 census on monday when Im over at Huddersfield hopefully I will be able to order it.
thankyou again Isabel

[Jack]

Hi Isabel,
The 1841 index i looked at has the family as RASUE, but i couldn't blame the transciber for this - it's very difficult to read,
and if i didn't know what it might be i don't think i could've done any better.
Only with a really good look at the name on the top of page 3 would you possibly see it as ROSINA (which i've used below).
And Martha is very clear as Matthew....
Wonder who wee Mary Smith (5yrs) is?
==
1841 cens 644-1 Ed 2 pp 2-3 (Outer High or St. Paul)
135 High Street.
Philip ROSINA, 45, wire worker, b Foreign
Matthew ROSINA 40, --------------b SCT [..female..]
Antonie ROSINA, 19, wire worker, b LKS
Philip ROSINA, 8, ----------------------b LKS
Mary SMITH, 5,-----------------------b LKS
==
The Mitchell Library in Glasgow also have a couple of Poor Relief records for Martha.
(unfortunately it still only says Italy for hubby Philip)
D-HEW 14/15. Page 14750. Martha ROSSINI (63yrs). Applied 1862.
D-HEW 10/4/50. Page 54. Martha ROSINI (75yrs). Applied 1875.
If you contact the Archives they'll give you the cost of copying pages & posting them on.
[i asked about costs today. Seems if you only have a name it will cost £10 for them to search for a record,
but if you already know the Ref No. then it would be 60p per page + post / packing. Best to check first though]
Jack
ps, did John born abt 1855, son of Antonio & Isabella Bishop, marry a Jessie Burns?

[nelmit]

The Mitchell Library in Glasgow also have a couple of Poor Relief records for Martha.
(unfortunately it still only says Italy for hubby Philip)
D-HEW 14/15. Page 14750. Martha ROSSINI (63yrs). Applied 1862.
D-HEW 10/4/50. Page 54. Martha ROSINI (75yrs). Applied 1875.
If you contact the Archives they'll give you the cost of copying pages & posting them on.
[i asked about costs today. Seems if you only have a name it will cost £10 for them to search for a record,
but if you already know the Ref No. then it would be 60p per page + post / packing. Best to check first though]
Jack
ps, did John born abt 1855, son of Antonio & Isabella Bishop, marry a Jessie Burns?

Jack,

I've already transcribed the 1862 application.
http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic. ... ht=rossini
Didn't know about the 1875 - probably because of different spelling of surname.

Kind regards,
Annette M

[Jack]

Hi Annette,
I thought the details seemed familiar! Memory failure...again....
Yes, Martha's 1875 record was a slightly different spelling - one "s" in Rosini.
Only reason i didn't copy them was the old eyes were playing up after i'd written a lot of censuses and another application.
Thanks,
Jack

[Isabel]

Thankyou once again Jack and Annette
That looks like them in 1841 I dont know who the smith child is,and yes
John Rossini married Jessie Burns on 8th june 1878 John was my ggrandfather Jessies parents were John Burns and Margaret Smith[would you believe] and thats as far as Ive got so far.
Thank you once again.
Isabel