1851 Census Greenock .....

[Caroline]

Would someone be kind enough to check out this entry on the Greenock census for me - I'm afraid it's one of my many 'no image' problems that I've encountered on SP.

The reference is 564/23/3 and my relatives name is Robert Scott (46). He was living in East Hamilton St in 1841 and 1861 so I assume he might be there in 1851. In 1841 he was living with his wife Elizabeth, but she might be dead by 1851, and 2 sons Robert (8) and John (6).

Caroline

[Jack]

Hi Caroline,
There is this from the CD index,
but a look would be needed to see if Robert is a widower.
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1851 cens 564-1 (434) Ed 21 p 12 (Greenock East)
Robert SCOTT, 46
Robert SCOTT, 19
John SCOTT, 17
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Either next door, or with the family, is a Mary Gibb, 35.
Jack
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ps, and oddly there is also this....
1851 cens 564-3 (444) Ed 127 p 3 (Greenock West)
Robert SCOTT, 46
Robert SCOTT, 19
John SCOTT, 17
(and a Mary Gibb 35 too...)
This looks like it might a "double entry" as other names on the pages are repeated.
(but in a different sequence)
Might be interesting to see if they have the same info!
[i'd guess the no. you have is from this 2nd one because it ends in page 3]
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[Caroline]

Hi Jack,

Yes that looks like the right Robert Scott and family. I assume he was a widower because he married again at the end of 1851 and maybe his wife died soon after 1841 as it appears as though they had no more children.

The indexing system on SP seems a bit strange though as the numbering is different from your CD and Robert is listed as living in Greenock MIddle or New rather than Greenock East. Any ideas why that is ?

Caroline

[Jack]

Hi Caroline,

You mentioned, ...Any ideas why that is ?

None whatsoever! But i'll check them both when i can next manage a visit to The Mitchell.
Jack

[Andy]

I've come across a few other double listings, one in particular, because a birth very shortly after, led me to assume that the families moved house during the day of the census and "Overtook" the enumerator/s between houses.

I've also come across folk who were visiting other people. A Susan McQuilkin is listed in both Greenock and Paisley in one of the censuses it it POSITIVELY the same Susan counted twice.

[LesleyB]

I have a double entry - I'm sure its the same person 'cos Grace turns up later in the 1891 census with the same aunt: (Partick, Lanark 646/03 044/000 022) Grace (age 25), 12 Ruthven Street with a Great Aunt Catherine Richardson 84, born Lanarkshire and also Catherine Mitchell, great niece to Catherine, who is 29, a teacher of music, born in Edinburgh.
I can only guess she was off at her aunties for the night but the folks at home thought they'd better mention her since she was usually living at home.

• 1871 census
  (MITCHELL GRACE B F 5 ANDERSTON LANARK 644/08 090/000 005)
  23 Kelvinhaugh Street, Barony Parish
  Catherine Richardson H Un 64 an annuitant born Glasgow
  Catherine Mitchell Grand-niece age 7 scholar born Edinburgh
  Grace B[?] Mitchell Grand-niece age 5 born Glasgow
  Anne McCormick(?) Servant Un 17 domestic servant born Garnkirk

but also seems to be here too...

• 1871 census
  (MITCHELL ROBERT M 3 SPRINGBURN LANARK 622/02 007/000 001)
  166 Springburn Road, Glasgow
  James Mitchell H M 46 Railway Porter, Ayrshire, Muirkirk
  Agnes Mitchell Wife M 46 Ayrshire Loudon
  Jannet dau Un 21 Muslin Darner, Lanarkshire, Glasgow
  John son un 19 Railway Clerk, Lanarkshire, Glasgow
  James son Un 17 Engine Fitter, Lanarkshire, Glasgow
  Alexander son un 15 Grocer, Lanarkshire, Glasgow
  Allan son un 13 scholar, Lanarkshire, Glasgow
  Agnes dau un 8 scholar Lanarkshire, Glasgow
  Grace Jane dau un 5, Lanarkshire, Glasgow
  Robert son un 3, Lanarkshire, Glasgow

Best wishes
Lesley

[ninatoo]

I have a double entry as well on one of the censuses...can't remember which now, but one of the sons is with his parents AND his grandparents on the same night.

Nina

[CatrionaL]

When I first found three Helen Brown BLAIRS on the Paisley Census, I thought they were double or triple entries. But no, they were cousins all born within 2 or three years of each other!

Catriona

[DavidWW]

When I first found three Helen Brown BLAIRS on the Paisley Census, I thought they were double or triple entries. But no, they were cousins all born within 2 or three years of each other!

Catriona

This is a frequent consequence that new researchers don't always immediately recognize, deriving from the siblings in a large family all sticking to the traditional Scottish naming patterns (see http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3973).

What can be particularly frustrating is coming across a really unusual surname, but then finding that they remained in the same parish over a number of generations, all married and had large families and all followed the traditional naming patterns. Talk about jigsaws

David

[Jack]

Hi Caroline,
Here they are, and the main difference is on the address (maybe Andy will know if they could be the same?).
They were both in EAST Greenock, and i really don't know what happened, and a neighbour McAusland is also recorded twice.
Although 444 is a "WEST" number it was also used against Eds 127 & 128 for EAST Greenock.
I'd very little time today to study the film - and even if i had, i'm not sure i'd find the answer!
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1851 cens 564-1 (434) Ed 21 p 12 (East Greenock)
Lady Burn, Marshalls Land.
Robert SCOTT, head, widower, 46, tanner, b Inverkip, RFW
Robert SCOTT, son, u/m 19, furnace man, b Inverkip, RFW
John SCOTT, son, u/m 17, furnace man, b Inverkip, RFW
Mary GIBB, housekeeper, u/m 35, domestic servant, b Houston, RFW
&
1851 cens 564-3 (444) Ed 127 p 3 (East Greenock)
Port Glasgow Road.
Robert SCOTT, head, widower, 46, tanner, b Inverkip, RFW
Robert SCOTT, son, u/m 19, furnaceman (forge), b Inverkip, RFW
John SCOTT, son, u/m 17, furnaceman (forge), b Inverkip, RFW
Mary GIBB, housekeeper, u/m 35, domestic servant, b Houston, RFW
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Jack