Hi all,
I didn't know quite where to put this post, as I am looking for help finding deaths, censuses, marriages etc for this man and his wife's family.
William Easton was born in Bowling, Old Kilpatrick, Dumbarton in 1862, the son of William Easton and Christina Clark. I have him on the 1871, 1881 and 1891 censuses. In 1894 he married Sarah Jane Graham (b. about 1875) in Jamestown Dumbarton, daughter of Hugh Graham and Barbara McDermid. Sarah was the niece of his brother's wife.
William and Sarah Easton had William, b. 1895, Hugh Graham, 1897 and Mary Agnes Graham, b and d 1899.
Armed with this information, I have tried to find the following documents and IGI entries with no success whatever:
1901 census for William and Sarah, and children
Birth for Sarah Graham
Death registrations for William and Sarah
Marriage registration for Hugh Graham and Barbara McDermid
Death registration for Hugh Graham (before 1894) - I have his wife's
I thought William and Sarah Easton had perhaps left the country before 1901 so I checked here http://213.161.80.228/ . I was able to find a 3 year old Hugh G. Easton in Durham who was born in Scotland (I didn't pay to look at the image). I then asked for help on another site and someone posted this for me:
William Easton head mar 38 pityard labourer Scotland
Sarah J 36 South Shields
William son 15 Scotland
Hugh G 13 Scotland
111 marsden Street RG13/4731 f161 p38
Apart from the names all fitting, the ages are all ten years out! I can't understand how I got a Hugh aged 3 at 1901 census site, but the lady who found the entry above has found one ten years older. There is no mention of a 13 year old Hugh at the site I visited. And I only found William b. 1895 on a whim to see if my William had a son ten years YOUNGER than that English census...and he did. Can this just be a huge coincidence?
However, looking at that entry I searched again for Sarah born in England in the 1881; there are two for aged 5-7 but none for ages 10-20, and neither is my Sarah. A general search of the 1881 (Sarah had a sister called Isabella b. 1872 in Glasgow) didn't throw up likely possibilities either.
So I am at a dead end. I began this search just looking for the death of William born 1862, as he is the only one of his family of nine kids that I don't have.
So after probably confusing you to death, any suggestions please?
Nina
Can anyone help me find William Easton b. 1862?.....
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AHA...the 1901 English census above..they are mine. ANother kind person transcribed the census and noted that there was a tick in front of the ages of the children, so they looked like 15 and 13, but in fact are 5 and 3.
The lady also found the Graham family in England in the 1881 census.
Now if only I could find the other things....
Nina
The lady also found the Graham family in England in the 1881 census.
Now if only I could find the other things....
Nina
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Hi Nina
I don't have many answers but I do have a few...
After finding this bit of family in the 1881 census and after shopping for likely Barbara McDermids in 1861 I decided the one in Argyll looked likely.
Dwelling: 33 Corrane St
Census Place: Stirling, Stirling, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203546 GRO Ref Volume 490 EnumDist 12 Page 20
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
David EASTON M 32 M Bowling, Dunbarton, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Railway Guard
Catherine EASTON M 27 F Kilmore, Argyll, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Catherine EASTON 10 F Balloch, Dunbarton, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
William EASTON 9 M Jamestown, Dunbarton, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Donald Mc D. EASTON 5 M Balloch, Dunbarton, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
David EASTON 3 M Stirling, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Son
Christina EASTON 7 m F Stirling, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Catherine MC DERMID W 68 F Milford, Argyll, Scotland
Rel: Mother In Law
Occ: Wifes Mother
So I trailed Barbara from Kilfinan Argyll in 1861 to Bute in 1871. You may be interested to see that she was a dairymaid in the household of Janet Graham......and Janet just happened to have an unmarried son named Hugh. Where the family got to after this is still a mystery. I can't find the death of mother Janet. Hugh's brother is still in North Bute in 1881 alone. No sign of Barbara, Hugh, or a baby Sarah. I've found no sign of a death of Hugh either. Not a lot to go on but at least I'm pretty sure this is the father of Sarah Graham.....
HUGH GRAHAM - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 02 MAY 1839 North Bute, Bute, Scotland
Best wishes
Jean
I don't have many answers but I do have a few...
After finding this bit of family in the 1881 census and after shopping for likely Barbara McDermids in 1861 I decided the one in Argyll looked likely.
Dwelling: 33 Corrane St
Census Place: Stirling, Stirling, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203546 GRO Ref Volume 490 EnumDist 12 Page 20
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
David EASTON M 32 M Bowling, Dunbarton, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Railway Guard
Catherine EASTON M 27 F Kilmore, Argyll, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Catherine EASTON 10 F Balloch, Dunbarton, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
William EASTON 9 M Jamestown, Dunbarton, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Donald Mc D. EASTON 5 M Balloch, Dunbarton, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
David EASTON 3 M Stirling, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Son
Christina EASTON 7 m F Stirling, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Catherine MC DERMID W 68 F Milford, Argyll, Scotland
Rel: Mother In Law
Occ: Wifes Mother
So I trailed Barbara from Kilfinan Argyll in 1861 to Bute in 1871. You may be interested to see that she was a dairymaid in the household of Janet Graham......and Janet just happened to have an unmarried son named Hugh. Where the family got to after this is still a mystery. I can't find the death of mother Janet. Hugh's brother is still in North Bute in 1881 alone. No sign of Barbara, Hugh, or a baby Sarah. I've found no sign of a death of Hugh either. Not a lot to go on but at least I'm pretty sure this is the father of Sarah Graham.....
HUGH GRAHAM - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 02 MAY 1839 North Bute, Bute, Scotland
Best wishes
Jean
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Hi JustJean,
THANKS for that!
Yes I have David Easton and family in the 1881, (he is William Easton's brother and both of them are brothers to my great great grandfather John) and thought I had looked for Barbara in Argyll, but it seems I overlooked it somehow. How did you manage to trace her to Bute? That looks like it is her and Hugh...very interesting because in the English census Hugh Graham is noted as a dairyman,
Hugh Graham, Head, Mar, 37, Dairyman, Scotland
Barbara Graham, Wife, Mar, 33, Scotland
Isabella Graham, Daur, 9, Scholar, Scotland
Sarah G? Graham, Daur, 6, Scholar, Durham South Shields
Jannet Graham, Daur, 3, Durham South Shields
Mary Agnes Graham, 1, Durham South Shields
so that ties in. I had him down as a harbourman and warehouseman (from his daughter Sarah's marriage registration and Barbara's death in 1923) and so was naturally tying the family to the coast around Dumbarton.
I am thinking Hugh must have died in England, and then Barbara may have returned to Scotland, but am yet to find him on anything online or Barbara until her death.
Thanks again for helping me JJ!
Nina
THANKS for that!
Yes I have David Easton and family in the 1881, (he is William Easton's brother and both of them are brothers to my great great grandfather John) and thought I had looked for Barbara in Argyll, but it seems I overlooked it somehow. How did you manage to trace her to Bute? That looks like it is her and Hugh...very interesting because in the English census Hugh Graham is noted as a dairyman,
Hugh Graham, Head, Mar, 37, Dairyman, Scotland
Barbara Graham, Wife, Mar, 33, Scotland
Isabella Graham, Daur, 9, Scholar, Scotland
Sarah G? Graham, Daur, 6, Scholar, Durham South Shields
Jannet Graham, Daur, 3, Durham South Shields
Mary Agnes Graham, 1, Durham South Shields
so that ties in. I had him down as a harbourman and warehouseman (from his daughter Sarah's marriage registration and Barbara's death in 1923) and so was naturally tying the family to the coast around Dumbarton.
I am thinking Hugh must have died in England, and then Barbara may have returned to Scotland, but am yet to find him on anything online or Barbara until her death.
Thanks again for helping me JJ!
Nina
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Hi Nina
! Actually with a name like Barbara the odds are in your favor!! There were only 3 within a reasonable range of ages and wildcard spellings of last name found anywhere!. I opted for the one whose age came the closest.....actually I think it was only +9 years in this case (if I recall correctly without checking!)
!
Best wishes
Jean
I've found it always enormously helpful to be able to count by 10'sninatoo wrote:Hi JustJean,
and thought I had looked for Barbara in Argyll, but it seems I overlooked it somehow. How did you manage to trace her to Bute?
! Actually with a name like Barbara the odds are in your favor!! There were only 3 within a reasonable range of ages and wildcard spellings of last name found anywhere!. I opted for the one whose age came the closest.....actually I think it was only +9 years in this case (if I recall correctly without checking!)He may have changed jobs in later years and they were just recalling his most recent. The fact that Isabella is 9 on this record really narrows up the time frame for their wedding. Perhaps though they married after arriving in Durham....or they ran away to get married in the first place!That looks like it is her and Hugh...very interesting because in the English census Hugh Graham is noted as a dairyman,
Hugh Graham, Head, Mar, 37, Dairyman, Scotland
Barbara Graham, Wife, Mar, 33, Scotland
Isabella Graham, Daur, 9, Scholar, Scotland
Sarah G? Graham, Daur, 6, Scholar, Durham South Shields
Jannet Graham, Daur, 3, Durham South Shields
Mary Agnes Graham, 1, Durham South Shields
so that ties in. I had him down as a harbourman and warehouseman (from his daughter Sarah's marriage registration and Barbara's death in 1923) and so was naturally tying the family to the coast around Dumbarton.
It's possible he did. You may find him yet. At least now you have parents for him and some more family to add on to the treeI am thinking Hugh must have died in England, and then Barbara may have returned to Scotland, but am yet to find him on anything online or Barbara until her death.
!It was fun! Glad to lend a hand!Thanks again for helping me JJ!
Nina
Best wishes
Jean
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Hi Jean,
I don'y know how close a look you took at the 1871 census for Hugh Graham, but it seems to me it may have uncovered a few side branches. I need to check it all but:
Living with the Graham family there is:
Janet Fleck, a daughter (presumably married to a Fleck)
an Alexander Lamont, grandson. Right next door there is a houseful of Lamonts....
An Alexander G. Binnie, grandson.
Incidentally, I did a search at ancestry's BDM indexes and found a couple of children to Hugh and Barbara, and two more for William Easton and Sarah...the names in all cases fit the family perfectly. (I am assuming of course....will need to get birth registrations to be sure)
Still no death for Hugh Graham or William Easton...but finding it fun along the way! But having Hugh's birthdate and parents is great!
LOTS more investigating to do here....you are terrific!
Nina
I don'y know how close a look you took at the 1871 census for Hugh Graham, but it seems to me it may have uncovered a few side branches. I need to check it all but:
Living with the Graham family there is:
Janet Fleck, a daughter (presumably married to a Fleck)
an Alexander Lamont, grandson. Right next door there is a houseful of Lamonts....
An Alexander G. Binnie, grandson.
Incidentally, I did a search at ancestry's BDM indexes and found a couple of children to Hugh and Barbara, and two more for William Easton and Sarah...the names in all cases fit the family perfectly. (I am assuming of course....will need to get birth registrations to be sure)
Still no death for Hugh Graham or William Easton...but finding it fun along the way! But having Hugh's birthdate and parents is great!
LOTS more investigating to do here....you are terrific!
Nina
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Hi Nina
Yup....I too noticed the "houseful" of names on that census. GOLDMINE! I wondered who might be the mother of the grandchildren but decided to leave some sleuthing for you to uncover.
It does look like the IGI has some good info for going back further on Hugh's mother, Janet.
These appear to be the siblings of Janet JOHNSTONE from the IGI:
1. JEAN JOHNSTONE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 11 FEB 1805 West Kilbride, Ayr, Scotland
2. JANET JOHNSTON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 APR 1803 West Kilbride, Ayr, Scotland
3. RACHEL JOHNSTON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 NOV 1813 Rothesay, Bute, Scotland
4. SUSAN JOHNSTONE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 12 APR 1818 Rothesay, Bute, Scotland
but the BIVRI disks give up a couple more....
JOHNSTONE, Hugh Bir 1809 Scot Bute Rothes
Fa: Hugh JOHNSTONE
Mo: Rachel SIMSON
JOHNSON, Thomas Bir 1811 Scot Bute Rothes
Fa: Hugh JOHNSON
Mo: Rachel SIMSON
ok I lied... ...I belive this is grandson, Alexander G Binnie with his family in 1881...
Dwelling: Killencraig Cottage
Census Place: Largs, Ayr, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203604 GRO Ref Volume 602 EnumDist 9 Page 5
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John O. BINNIE M 37 M Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Forester
Rachel BINNIE M 37 F Bute, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Occ: Forester Wife
Alexander G. BINNIE U 14 M Bute, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Margaret D. BINNIE 11 F Glasgow
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Rachel G. BINNIE 6 F Millport, Bute, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Jane G. BINNIE 4 F Largs, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Daur
and this could well be Alexander Lamont and his family in 1881....
Dwelling: 79 Abbotsford Place
Census Place: Govan, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203674 GRO Ref Volume 644-12 EnumDist 26 Page 17
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Alex. LAMONT W 55 M Bute Parish, Bute, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Storeman
Dan LAMONT U 23 M Bute Parish, Bute, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Comml Travr
Janet LAMONT U 21 F Bute Parish, Bute, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: House Keeper
Alexr. LAMONT U 20 M Bute Parish, Bute, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Grocer
Archd. LAMONT U 16 M Bute Parish, Bute, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Stut Faculty Of Arts
Jane LAMONT 14 F Bute Parish, Bute, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Dan LAMONT 11 M Bute Parish, Bute, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
I guess I'll let you pick up from here....
Best wishes!
Jean
Yup....I too noticed the "houseful" of names on that census. GOLDMINE!
I wondered who might be the mother of the grandchildren but decided to leave some sleuthing for you to uncover. It does look like the IGI has some good info for going back further on Hugh's mother, Janet.
These appear to be the siblings of Janet JOHNSTONE from the IGI:
1. JEAN JOHNSTONE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 11 FEB 1805 West Kilbride, Ayr, Scotland
2. JANET JOHNSTON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 APR 1803 West Kilbride, Ayr, Scotland
3. RACHEL JOHNSTON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 NOV 1813 Rothesay, Bute, Scotland
4. SUSAN JOHNSTONE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 12 APR 1818 Rothesay, Bute, Scotland
but the BIVRI disks give up a couple more....
JOHNSTONE, Hugh Bir 1809 Scot Bute Rothes
Fa: Hugh JOHNSTONE
Mo: Rachel SIMSON
JOHNSON, Thomas Bir 1811 Scot Bute Rothes
Fa: Hugh JOHNSON
Mo: Rachel SIMSON
ok I lied...
...I belive this is grandson, Alexander G Binnie with his family in 1881...Dwelling: Killencraig Cottage
Census Place: Largs, Ayr, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203604 GRO Ref Volume 602 EnumDist 9 Page 5
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John O. BINNIE M 37 M Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Forester
Rachel BINNIE M 37 F Bute, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Occ: Forester Wife
Alexander G. BINNIE U 14 M Bute, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Margaret D. BINNIE 11 F Glasgow
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Rachel G. BINNIE 6 F Millport, Bute, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Jane G. BINNIE 4 F Largs, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Daur
and this could well be Alexander Lamont and his family in 1881....
Dwelling: 79 Abbotsford Place
Census Place: Govan, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203674 GRO Ref Volume 644-12 EnumDist 26 Page 17
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Alex. LAMONT W 55 M Bute Parish, Bute, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Storeman
Dan LAMONT U 23 M Bute Parish, Bute, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Comml Travr
Janet LAMONT U 21 F Bute Parish, Bute, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: House Keeper
Alexr. LAMONT U 20 M Bute Parish, Bute, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Grocer
Archd. LAMONT U 16 M Bute Parish, Bute, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Stut Faculty Of Arts
Jane LAMONT 14 F Bute Parish, Bute, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Dan LAMONT 11 M Bute Parish, Bute, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
I guess I'll let you pick up from here....
Best wishes!
Jean
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I haven't been HERE all day because I have been looking for these same people and have found just the same ones and quite a few more too (I think about fifty names!!!)...no luck with Fleck children, but her hubby was Thomas
. There was another daughter Jane who married a John McQueen. I haven't checked for their kids yet. But I get the impression that this is a HUGE family!Thanks for the extra information...you have managed to find some I don't have yet (Lamont 1881, Janet Johnston's siblings).
It seems the McDermid/Graham clan mixed a lot earlier than I first thought. Janet Johnston's husband Alexander Graham's parents were John Graham and Sarah McDermid. They had another son John, born in Argyll, so it looks like it might be the same McDermid family
unless of course there were just thousands of Grahams and McDermids.... This has given me hours of fun, and a lot of info I found for free on freeCEN and IGI, as well as what you have found Jean....so a BIG THANK YOU!!!
Nina