I would like some Help Finding Parents.....

[ali]

I would like a little help with this if possible.

I am trying to find the parents of these brothers, David & James Wilson.

I have the death of David but unfortunately he died in Gartnavel 1872 so there were no details given on his death cert. All I have is poor relief records and I am not convinced of the details as there are three different birth places for David,1 Born Cowcaddens St, Barony, 2 Ann St Barony and 3 Bridgeton. I estimate he was born around 1827.It says parents are David Wilson a soldier and Mary McLean. But I can’t find any proof to support this.

David states in 1869 that both were dead. This was just before being addmitted to gartnavel. So not so sure.

This is David and his brother James in 1851 census

1851 cens 644-1 (560) Ed 17 pp 21-22 (College or Blackfriars)
100 High St.

David WILSON, head, marr, 24, hand loom weaver, b Glasgow, LKS
Ann WILSON, wife, marr, 24, cotton winder, b Kilsyth, STI
James WILSON, brother, 13, scholar, b England

Is there anyway that I can check on the Birth of James without spending a lot of money? As you can guess there are so many James Wilsons 115 hits for James in the 1861.

I haven't been able to pin point him in the 1881 census.

I am not sure if this is a coincidence. We think this was David in the 1861 census living with the Mcleans (considering Mary McLean was supposedly David’s mother).Could it be a relation?

1861 cens 644-1 Ed 35 p 6 (Outer High or St. Paul)

65 High St.
Thomas McLEAN, head, marr, 25, brickbuilders labourer, b Glasgow, LKS
Margaret McLEAN, wife, marr, 26, ----------- b Glasgow, LKS
David WILSON, lodger, marr, 31, house painter, b Glasgow, LKS
Louisa RITCHIE, lodger, u/m, 30, seamstress, b Edinburgh.

Cheers
Ali

[LesleyB]

Hi Ali
A few questions:

but unfortunately he died in Gartnavel 1872

What was his occupation given as at that time?
Does it tally with what appars to be a change of direction between the 1851 and 1861 census entries?

This might be a long shot but a search for a death for a Mary M*clean/Wilson on SP born 1803 +/- 10yrs produced only this record:
1870 WILSON MARY MCLEAN F 65 CALDERHEAD /LANARK
Who may, or may not, be who you are looking for - not enough credits left to check.

Best wishes
Lesley

[nelmit]

I would like a little help with this if possible.

I am trying to find the parents of these brothers, David & James Wilson.

I have the death of David but unfortunately he died in Gartnavel 1872 so there were no details given on his death cert. All I have is poor relief records and I am not convinced of the details as there are three different birth places for David,1 Born Cowcaddens St, Barony, 2 Ann St Barony and 3 Bridgeton. I estimate he was born around 1827.It says parents are David Wilson a soldier and Mary McLean. But I can’t find any proof to support this.

David states in 1869 that both were dead. This was just before being addmitted to gartnavel. So not so sure.

This is David and his brother James in 1851 census

1851 cens 644-1 (560) Ed 17 pp 21-22 (College or Blackfriars)
100 High St.

David WILSON, head, marr, 24, hand loom weaver, b Glasgow, LKS
Ann WILSON, wife, marr, 24, cotton winder, b Kilsyth, STI
James WILSON, brother, 13, scholar, b England

Is there anyway that I can check on the Birth of James without spending a lot of money? As you can guess there are so many James Wilsons 115 hits for James in the 1861.

I haven't been able to pin point him in the 1881 census.

I am not sure if this is a coincidence. We think this was David in the 1861 census living with the Mcleans (considering Mary McLean was supposedly David’s mother).Could it be a relation?

1861 cens 644-1 Ed 35 p 6 (Outer High or St. Paul)

65 High St.
Thomas McLEAN, head, marr, 25, brickbuilders labourer, b Glasgow, LKS
Margaret McLEAN, wife, marr, 26, ----------- b Glasgow, LKS
David WILSON, lodger, marr, 31, house painter, b Glasgow, LKS
Louisa RITCHIE, lodger, u/m, 30, seamstress, b Edinburgh.

Cheers
Ali

Hello Ali,

Maybe you have this but just in case...............
Can't help with James at the moment but here is Ann in 1881.

Dwelling: 88 Stevenson St
Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203643 GRO Ref Volume 644-4 EnumDist 51 Page 3
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John THOMSON M 54 M Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Sawyer
Margaret THOMSON 39 F Kilsyth, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Occ: Winder (Yarn)
Ann WILSON W 54 F Kilsyth, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Sister In Law
Occ: Winder (Yarn)
Margaret WILSON U 19 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Niece
Occ: Winder (Thread)

Regards,
Annette M

[ali]

Maybe you have this but just in case...............
Can't help with James at the moment but here is Ann in 1881

Hi Annette,

Thanks for the reply to my Wilson post. Yes I have Ann Wilson in the 1881 but thank you anyway. Its the men that are giving me the problem!

Cheers
Ali

[ali]

Hi Lesley,

Thank you so much for looking at this for me.

What was his occupation given as at that time?

On his death no occupation very little information. But on the 1871 census while he was in Gartnavel down as a painter.

This might be a long shot but a search for a death for a Mary M*clean/Wilson on SP born 1803 +/- 10yrs produced only this record:
1870 WILSON MARY MCLEAN F 65 CALDERHEAD /LANARK
Who may, or may not, be who you are looking for - not enough credits left to check.

Well this could well be Davids Mother but again hardly any information. This is all it gave. The Soldier thing ties in for her husband a pity there isn't a christian name to go with it.

Mary Wilson

Widow of _____ Wilson. Soldier

Father _______ Mclean soldier dec

No mother.

Witness of death I think it says Thomas Mcdonald ______
Occupier.? Can you explain this?

So once thanking you heaps.

Ali

[Andy]

Your best chance here is to try to track down a Scottish born David and English born James in the 1841 census for England (my subscription has lapsed).

James was born about 1837/38 so English birth records should be available even if just to find out the mother's given name.

Have you sorted out the 1881 relationship of the Thomson's to Ann Wilson?

I can't see a Margaret Shaw/Wilson and John Thom*son marriage that fits. Margaret (and Ann's) parents were John Shaw and Mary Wardrop who had a Margaret in 1829 but no Ann listed.

Have you checked out the marriage lines for David Wilson and Ann Shaw on 30 SEP 1849 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

[Jack]

Hi Ali,
Just to say there is only one James WILSON aged 19 to 27 as born England in all Lanarkshire (inc Glasgow) 1861.
But a bit youngish - 21yrs, and living in Dalziel; possibly with a John (31) & Elizabeth (30) Martin, both born England.
So not looking too good for your James in the Glasgow area.
Jack

[ali]

Just to say there is only one James WILSON aged 19 to 27 as born England in all Lanarkshire (inc Glasgow) 1861.
But a bit youngish - 21yrs, and living in Dalziel; possibly with a John (31) & Elizabeth (30) Martin, both born England.
So not looking too good for your James in the Glasgow area.

Hi Jack,

No doesn't look too promising but I will keep it in mind.

And thank you so much for looking.

Cheers Ali

[ali]

Hi Andy,

Your best chance here is to try to track down a Scottish born David and English born James in the 1841 census for England (my subscription has lapsed).

So can you give advice on the best way to go about this? I haven't had to do much English research.

James was born about 1837/38 so English birth records should be available even if just to find out the mother's given name.

I have looked on the free BMD and there are so many James Wilson's. Is there anyway I can put in a request to tally up with his mothers name?

Have you sorted out the 1881 relationship of the Thomson's to Ann Wilson?

Yes I have this side of the family sorted Margaret Shaw & Ann Shaw sisters.

I have found Ann Shaw Born to a John Shaw & a Mall Wardrope which could be my Ann but date doesn't really gel compared to her death and census.

Have you checked out the marriage lines for David Wilson and Ann Shaw on 30 SEP 1849 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

I have found this but there is no image and I didn't think there would be any information on this being a OPR so I didn't both to get it.
I also orderd a film in at the Family search centre but after ploughing through couldn't even find them on it!

Anyway thank you so much for looking at all these for me.

Cheers Ali

[LesleyB]

Hi Ali

I also orderd a film in at the Family search centre but after ploughing through couldn't even find them on it!

If you have looked the couple on SP then the reference no. on there gives a Frame no. e.g. FR0388 - see example below:

19/05/1835 REDDIE ALEXANDER JAMES REDDIE/CATHERINE WILKIE FR4483 M DUNFERMLINE 424/00 014*

On most microfilms these frame numbers are visible at the top right of each frame, to the right and a little below where it states the film no. e.g. in this case, 424/14 making it easier to find what you are looking for, as things are not always in the order expected.

I have come across some films where the frame number does not seem to be there though!

Best wishes
Lesley