John or James McIver 1881 census .....

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Sun May 21, 2006 6:34 am

Hi all,

I wonder if someone can have a look at the 1881 census and see if the McIver family at 38 Gallowgate Glasgow has a one month old baby James, or is it John? At SP, he is listed as John, but I have had some information passed to me about this family, with no John born 1881, but a James born March 1881.

I am guessing it is either a mistranscription or the family changed their mind on the baby's name....or even that there were twins but one wasn't with the family at the time of the census for some reason (though this doesn't seem plausible looking at the 1881 births for male McIvers). I know James existed incidentally.

Thanks for reading,

Nina

Post by **Tracey** » Sun May 21, 2006 7:50 am

Hello Nina

No James but there is a John

Dwelling: 38 Gallowgate
Census Place: Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203647 GRO Ref Volume 644-5 EnumDist 51 Page 14

William MC IVER M 30 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Fruit Merchant
Sarah MC IVER M 28 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Millworker
William MC IVER 6 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Maggie MC IVER 5 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daughter Occ: Scholar
Mary MC IVER 2 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daughter
John MC IVER 1 m M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Sun May 21, 2006 9:19 am

Thanks Tracey...hmmm, now that is interesting. I wonder if there is a little lost James McIver one month old anywhere else in Glasgow? I will need to check that.

Nina

Post by **Tracey** » Sun May 21, 2006 9:29 am

Hi Nina

This is the closest i can see. Dont know what the Jno stands for ?

Dwelling: 17 Norman St
Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203631 GRO Ref Volume 644-1 EnumDist 62 Page 7
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John GERRARD M 60 M Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Coal Merct
Rebecca GERRARD M 42 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife
Mary GERRARD M 26 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Steam Loom Weaver
Hugh GERRARD 8 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Rebecca GERRARD 3 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Dau
Jno. MC IVER 1 m M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Neph

Post by **Tracey** » Sun May 21, 2006 9:38 am

This is the only James i can see but he is 6 months old

Dwelling: Thornhill
Census Place: Abbey, Renfrew, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203566 GRO Ref Volume 559-3 EnumDist 11 Page 10

James MC IVOR M 53 M Dalry, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Iron Miner
Mary MC IVOR M 30 F Barrhead, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Wife
Thomas MC IVOR U 7 M Old Kilpatrick, Dunbarton, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Isabella MC IVOR U 5 F Johnstone, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur
Mary MC IVOR U 3 F Johnstone, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur
James MC IVOR U 6 m M Johnstone, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son
Hendry SPENCE U 27 M Johnstone, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Brot In Law Occ: Tinsmith (Journeyman)

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Sun May 21, 2006 10:19 am

Thanks Tracey,

It was very nice of you to look, but I now think John should be James and that it was an error of some sort. I have James' birth registration now, and he was born at Blackfriars. No other baby boy McIver was born there that year, so there must only be one child, not twins or anything. I don't believe they changed his name either, unless it was only for a little bit, but he certainly grew up and married as James.

Nina