1871 Census - watch out! .....

[AnneM]

Hi

I've been relatively lucky (in more than one sense) with the 1871 Census, though sadly it produced children born in 1854 and 1856 to a Gunner in the Royal Artillery when the IGI showed a Crimean War shaped blank!

However I did have an Ann Morrison and family who appeared twice, once as Dunoon and once in Kilmun with the same reference number. It did not cost me double. In fact it was 2 for the price of one as by 1871 her future son-in -law was living a couple of houses away from Ann and her family, inlcuding daughter Catherine, and working on the same estate. They all seemed to be working for the Youngers of Benmore.

This addition to the site however much it may have caused glitches in the operation could be hard on the old bank account.

Anne

[bobj-kirk]

Hello All,

Just thought I would post an 1871 census problem I had:
I did a search that returned the following item.
1871 MILNE WILLIAM M 58 MARYKIRK KINCARDINE 265/00 005/000 008

I downloaded the image and William did not appear, although the address was what I expected. After reviewing it several times, I sent an error report to Scotland's People. Later when I looked it over again I noticed a discrepancy. The downloaded image says Page 7, but the viewer in the lower right corner says page 8. I assume their indexing is off by one page for this item. I did not spend credits moving around to see if Page 8 is indexed under Page 9 or something like that. Maybe I will try that if I don't get a reasonable response from them.

- Bob

[nelmit]

Hello All,

Just thought I would post an 1871 census problem I had:
I did a search that returned the following item.
1871 MILNE WILLIAM M 58 MARYKIRK KINCARDINE 265/00 005/000 008

I downloaded the image and William did not appear, although the address was what I expected. After reviewing it several times, I sent an error report to Scotland's People. Later when I looked it over again I noticed a discrepancy. The downloaded image says Page 7, but the viewer in the lower right corner says page 8. I assume their indexing is off by one page for this item. I did not spend credits moving around to see if Page 8 is indexed under Page 9 or something like that. Maybe I will try that if I don't get a reasonable response from them.

- Bob

Hi all,

I had the same problem although I cannot make out the page number.
The street is what I expected but not the correct number so I am assuming my entry is on the next page.
I've sent a contact form so we'll see what happens.

Annette M

[JayPee]

Although this census has helped me locate a few people and confirm some other information, I've found a few problems with mis-indexing.

In one case, I searched for a Sarah Dugdale and when I viewed the image, it was a Sarah Drysdale. Admittedly, if one hadn't heard the name "Drysdale", one might mis-read this as "Dugdale". (The Sarah Drysdale I located was born 1871, census location East Kilpatrick and/or New Kilpatrick, if you want to examine the image.)

In another case, I can't seem to locate *any* of my M'queen/M'quien (using "M*cq*n", and even "M*n" ) in Ross and Cromarty. (I've also tried the old "MacSween", "MacSwain" and "MacSwan" variants; are there other variants on this name that would not be covered by the "M*n" search? I can't afford to examine all of the entries returned by a search on "*q*" ) Perhaps the families packed up and went for a trip abroad during the census, and returned later.

Question for the SP insiders: If the name of a person was recorded on a census as "Mac Queen", would the '*' between the 'c' and 'q' in "M*c*q*n" match the name I'm seeking? Are blanks significant in searches? (I think I searched with an explicit space and still found nothing, but will have to verify that the next time I drop a few pounds.)

- JayPee

[DavidWW]

Although this census has helped me locate a few people and confirm some other information, I've found a few problems with mis-indexing.

In one case, I searched for a Sarah Dugdale and when I viewed the image, it was a Sarah Drysdale. Admittedly, if one hadn't heard the name "Drysdale", one might mis-read this as "Dugdale". (The Sarah Drysdale I located was born 1871, census location East Kilpatrick and/or New Kilpatrick, if you want to examine the image.)

In another case, I can't seem to locate *any* of my M'queen/M'quien (using "M*cq*n", and even "M*n" ) in Ross and Cromarty. (I've also tried the old "MacSween", "MacSwain" and "MacSwan" variants; are there other variants on this name that would not be covered by the "M*n" search? I can't afford to examine all of the entries returned by a search on "*q*" ) Perhaps the families packed up and went for a trip abroad during the cenus, and returned later.

Question for the SP insiders: If the name of a person was recorded on a census as "Mac Queen", would the '*' between the 'c' and 'q' in "M*c*q*n" match the name I'm seeking? Are blanks significant in searches? (I think I searched with an explicit space and still found nothing, but will have to verify that the next time I drop a few pounds.)

- JayPee

JayPee

Thanks for all that, - grist to the mill for the SP user Group meeting due on 5th April.

IGI treats "Mac QUEEN" and "MacQUEEN" as different, but as far as I'm aware GROS treats them the same and would index them both under "MacQUEEN", but I'll check this out........

For those not familiar with this situation, it's very common for there to be a slight space between "Mac" or "Mc" and the rest of the surname. LDS transcribe exactly as is, and treat an apparent space as exactly that.

Davie

Later...... just had a look at the "Dugdale" entry. No way should this be read as that, altho' I'll admit that it might be read as "Dugsdale" .....
dww

[JayPee]

Thanks Davie ... I look forward to any clarification. (I can't see anything on the SP site that mentions this.)
- JayPee

[ Later... ]
Reviewing the FAQs on SP, I note that there is a mention
of a space during the recording of some names:

Be aware also that sometimes a Mc/Mac surname is recorded with a space e.g. MACDONALD appears as MAC DONALD.

... but no mention of how those names are indexed.
(Gee, it's hard to get that "quote" bbcode to look right )

- JayPee

[joycehender]

I'm a bit irritated by the double indexing. I was doing a fairly broad search to cover a range of firstname spellings and eventually managed to get the number of results down to 25 by narrowing the age range (I hate wasting credits!!). So it was annoying to find that 6 of the search results were duplicates.

I've never noticed this double indexing with other records - as far as I remember there is a single result for the registration district with both possibilities for County listed. Surely a similar system could have been adopted for the 1871 to avoid wasting credits by pulling up duplicate entries?

Another concern is missing family in Fife. I have seen a posting elsewhere which suggests Dunfermline may be missing (it certainly is only listed as 1891 and 1901) and as that's roughly the right area I'm wondering if that is the cause.

My final moan is why are some districts split between the various censuses and some listed under all 3 years. I wanted to get the 1871, 1891 and 1901 listings for the same person in Beath but was unable to do so for this district as each year is listed separately and you can't select multiple districts in the census (why?). Given that the name of the district is unchanged, why can't all 3 years be searched together?

Apart from all that, it's great to finally have access to these records!
Joyce

[Alison Plenderleith]

Hi All,

I am able to search the 1871 census now with no problem.
However, I'm unable to find a family I know were in Dunfermline at that time. I have records of them being in Dunfermline from 1862 to 1919 and they had a daughter who was born there in 1870 and died there in 1871. The family is Finnick and I've searched for Lil*s F*n*k , All Counties, with an age range of 25-38 without success. Lillias would have been 33 but I thought I'd stretch it a bit just in case!

I have the family on other censuses so I don't think it was a case of trying to dodge the 'census man'!

I'm not sure what I should do now. I can't really tell SP that I KNOW they were there on census night.

Any suggestions please?

All the Best,

Alison

[CatrionaL]

Hullo Alison

I noticed this family on the IGI and was interested to note that the mother's name was Lilias. Are they any connection to yours.

Parents Robert FINNICK and Lilias Robertson
1. ISABELLA FINNICK
05 APR 1862 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
2. MARY FINNICK
09 JUN 1870 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
3. PHILIP FINNICK
29 FEB 1868 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
4. GEORGE FINNICK
05 MAY 1874 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
5. JAMES ROBERTSON FINNICK
05 MAR 1866 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
6. ROBERT FINNICK
29 MAR 1864 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
7. JOSEPH FINNICK
16 SEP 1872 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland

Just thought that it might be possible to find some of the other family names on the Census, since Lilias is so elusive.

When did the daughter die? I notice the Census was done on 2nd and 3rd April.

Or perhaps they were .....on holiday.
Another member of TS did a lookup for me in Renfrewshire 1841 Census. This is what she found at the end of each district
"- at this time of year many families from Paisley go to the sea for vacation. It is known the following citizens were not at home at the time of the census:" It then noted X number of females and X number of males." As she said " Just enough information to make you crazy but serving no useful purpose".

Glad to hear that you are now able to search the 1871 Census with no problems. It's great tp have that additional information isn't it?

Happy searching

Catriona
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[caraid]

Hi folks,
Got back from my camping trip to not so sunny Clackmannanshire, and signed on to SP at 9pm, had no probs paying up and had no probs in searching, got a good few images then the site stopped responding at about 9.45pm. Perhaps its telling me its time for bed , anyway have spent enough for one night.
Yours
Caraid