1871 Census - watch out! .....

[DavidWW]

Any variant with an e on the end........

M*cq*n* and even "M*n* might produce too many hits, but M*cq*n? and even M*n? could be worth a go.

Ahhh! I hadn't even considered a trailing "e". Thanks for that, Davie; will check into that.
- JayPee

I can strongly recommend the NameX site, on http://www.imagepartners.co.uk/Thesaurus/AboutNameX.htm - you'll be amazed at the possibilities you had never thought of

Davie

[JayPee]

I had a quick look at the NameX site, and tested it with "MacQueen":
NameX: 230 matches, in 0.03125 seconds ... very impressive
Soundex: 7757
Metaphone: 1805

Why doesn't everyone (including SP) use it? Is the cost prohibitive? The website shows that 1837online.com uses it...

- JayPee

[sporran]

Hello JayPee,


I have e-mailed separately, so this information is mainly for onlookers.

I tried all combinations of wildcards that I could think of in the R&C area (there is no reason to think that they strayed from the Stornoway area), and variations on McQueen and McSween throughout Scotland, but there is no sign of any of this family. Although father and son are Murdo McQueen, there are only 2 results for Murdo MacQueen of any age in all Scotland, and that is the same person indexed twice (not this family).

The conclusion seems to be that, for whatever reason, the family's details did not get through the many stages in enumeration to the SP site. This is not to imply criticism in current GROS or SP: there may have been problems with the enumeration process in 1871.


Regards,

John

[DavidWW]

I had a quick look at the NameX site, and tested it with "MacQueen":
NameX: 230 matches, in 0.03125 seconds ... very impressive
Soundex: 7757
Metaphone: 1805

Why doesn't everyone (including SP) use it? Is the cost prohibitive? The website shows that 1837online.com uses it...

- JayPee

JayPee

All I know is that there is a "significant" licence cost for NameX..........

Davie

[AndrewP]

Are there known to be any 1871 census books completely lost?

I gather the 1881 census (LDS CDs and microfilm) is missing Dunscore, Dumfriesshire [ED 822] and that it is listed as lost. Does anyone know if this is missing only from LDS records, or if it is completely missing (not at NRH). Also, same for books 13 to 27 of Dumfries 1881 census returns?

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

[JayPee]

Hello JayPee,
...
The conclusion seems to be that, for whatever reason, the family's details did not get through the many stages in enumeration to the SP site. This is not to imply criticism in current GROS or SP: there may have been problems with the enumeration process in 1871.


Regards,

John

Thanks John, that's what I suspected. I happened to notice the header page for one of the census areas in Lochs, and where the enumerator recorded comments, it states something to the effect that "there are lots of lakes, making it difficult [impossible?] to get to all the homes in this area". [I don't recall the actual wording; will see if I can find it again on the weekend if I get some time. Will reply separately regarding your other findings then, too.]

Thanks for all your help!
- JayPee

[JayPee]

I found the page to which I referred earlier:

The "Header Image" for one census area in Lochs, ROC
(087/00 001/000 021) shows this (as I read it) for the enumerator's
comments:

Part of the Parish of Lochs includes Arnish LightHouse and
Farm Grimshader, and Rarnish -- LightHouse erected on nothernmost
point of Parish of Lochs, a large tract of moor betwixt it & village
of Grimshader & Rarnish, the latter is a remarkably hilly & rocky
place, also several fresh water lakes within its bounds causeing[??]
it remarkably difficult to visit dwellings.

My guess? The family (and possibly others in the area) could have been missed by the enumerator. (Must have been the Bruichladdich that the enumerator had for his lunch, Sally )
- JayPee

[DavidWW]

Are there known to be any 1871 census books completely lost?

I gather the 1881 census (LDS CDs and microfilm) is missing Dunscore, Dumfriesshire [ED 822] and that it is listed as lost. Does anyone know if this is missing only from LDS records, or if it is completely missing (not at NRH). Also, same for books 13 to 27 of Dumfries 1881 census returns?

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

All that LDS has is the microfilms produced by GROS. So if these EDs were missing at the time of the microfilming ............

Dumfries EDs 13 to 27 sounds like it could be 1 film, but Dunscore might only be a part film, but even if LDS had lost their initial copy you'ld have thought that they would have replaced it were that possible.

An email to the Microfilm Unit at GROS should provide the answer.

Davie

[DavidWW]

Hi All

To begin with, after the addition of the 1871 data, when clicking on the census search option, the boxes for all three censuses, - 1871, 1891 and 1901 were ticked, so that, if you wanted to search a lesser number of these censuses, the relevant boxes had to be de-selected.

Following customer comments, this has been changed so that the entry screen for these census searches has none of the three boxes ticked, so that one or more of the censuses has to be selected.

Davie

[Jack]

Hi Davie,

Thanks to you all who got this done - much more sensible with the "opt in" choice (so now only you can tick the wrong box!).

Jack