Are they the same person? .....

Post by **Pandabean** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:15 pm

Are these both the same person?

I cant make out the parents name of William on the marriage Cert.

On his death certificate there is no mention of his first wife, Margaret Boyd. Is this quite common?

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JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:35 pm

Hi Andy

I make out the parents names on the MC to be William Adamson and J? (possible Jean) Adamson mn Fife. The DC names parents of William Adamson and Margaret Adamson Kennedy. Initially you would think not correct so which one is correct or is this the same man!???? So then compare wife's name and yes the MC is to Margaret Logan and at death his is noted as married to Margaret Logan. So yes does appear to be the same person. If you look at who the informant was on the DC that may explain it. He was not a family member so you have no real assurance of how familiar he was with the family names of William Adamson. The fact that he does not list a former marriage reinforces this ever further. So now what? Go look for a death of J* Adamson Fife using married and maiden name from 1855 to 1874 to see what comes up. There is only one. I'm guessing this is William's real mother but would have to be proven by finding the family in an earlier census with hopefully William with them. It helps you that the informant here is a daughter (and therefore a very possible sister to William!)

Best wishes
Jean

Andy · Post by **Andy** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:59 pm

Looks like Joann (MS) Fife (Dead)

WILLIAM ADAMSON
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
03 MAR 1819 Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Scotland
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: WILLIAM ADAMSON Family
Mother: JOHANNA FIFE

Judging by the occupation, Sinker, Pit Contractor, it's very probably the same person and the bloke reporting the death made a mistook.

Post by **Pandabean** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:13 am

I am guessing then that a Pit Sinker was someone who said where the pits should go?

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:17 am

Hi Andy

Yes....a helpful list of occupations can be found on Scotlands People.

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/conte ... ?r=551&995

Best wishes
Jean

mm

Post by **Pandabean** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:31 am

Ok thanks for the help.

Russell · Post by **Russell** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:32 am

Hi Andy

Early pits were shallow and driven in at an angle. As they had to reach for deeper seams a vertical shaft had to be driven down to reach the appropriate level. this was not a task for an ordinary miner since it went through unstable soil and rock levels.
Lining and bracing had to be worked out and fitted as the work progressed and they learned, often the hard way, that they had to do it properly.

Russell

deano · Post by **deano** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:36 pm

Hello Andy,

Going by what is said in the above post's, in particular the birth that Andy, mentions, if it is the same William Adamson, then he was married before to a Margaret Boyd, no date for this marriage.

Margaret Boyd Adamson, died 1866, aged 46 years, Ayr, Kilmarnock.

The 1861, census index for Kilmarnock is thus,

Adamson William aged 42 years, born Alloa,
Adamson Margaret aged 40 years, born Galston,
Adamson Joanna aged 17 years, born Dalry,
Adamson Janet Aged 11 years, born Kilmarnock,
Adamson Mary aged 8 years, born Kilmarnock,
Adamson William aged 5 years,born Kilmarnock,
1855, the good year,
Adamson Jean aged 3 years, born Kilmarnock,
Adamson Elizabeth aged 1 year, born Kilmarnock.

Joanna, most likely named after his mother, his age corresponds to the birth Andy, gave.

Regards,
Jonn.

Andy · Post by **Andy** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:27 am

Plus Alloa is in Clackmannanshire

There are these children born to William and Margaret Boyd:

1. JEAN ADAMSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 18 JUL 1857 Riccarton, Ayr, Scotland
2. WILLIAM ADAMSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 13 JUN 1855 Riccarton, Ayr, Scotland
3. ELIZABETH ADAMSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 25 JAN 1860 Irvine, Ayr, Scotland

The 1855 birth is a massive bonus and should give ALL the details you are missing.

Post by **Pandabean** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:51 am

Whats special about an 1855 birth except that it was when the registrations became compulsory?

I did find those births on the IGI. Thanks Andy.

I do have the date of Marriage for William Adamson and Margaret Boyd from their Daughter Margaret's (b.1862) Birth cert as April 1841 - Kilmarnock.