1871 - where is Lilias Crout? .....

[LesleyB]

Hi all
One of those things which has been on the back-boiler for a while, one of those little niggles. I just can't find Lilias Crout in the 1871...

Born: 9 October 1850, Fearn, Easter Ross
Around the mid 1860s she left Fearn and travelled south. Seems to have been in Portobello, Helensburgh, then Glasgow

By 1871 she is in Glasgow - she had an illegitimate child called John Crout born 18 March 1871 in the City Poorhouse, so I'd expect her still to be in that area for the census. John Crout, her brother aged 22, is living at Tradeston Lanark with their Aunt, Catherine Skinner m.s. Smith (aka Ketty) for this census, but Lily is not with them. Lily is not with her parents in Fearn either.

By 1874 at the time of her marriage, she states she is a Domestic Servant, spinster, living at 74 North St.Mungo Street, Glasgow, (the same address as Thomas Munro her husband who is from Tarbat, Easter Ross).
In 1881 her illegitimate son John, aged 10, is with her mother Rebecca Smith/Crout, back up in Hill of Fearn. (I've lost wee John after this date too)

Lily had two boys with Thomas Munro in 1875 & 1876 and she died in 1877 in the City Poorhouse, aged 26 of Phithisis Pulmonalis (TB - lungs) & mania.
(poorhouse applications very kindly looked up ages ago by Annette & Jack - I sent for & received copies from the Mitchell)

I've wildcarded till I'm picking up Lilias Robertsons!! (*ro*t*). Crout, being an unusual surname, is subject to all sorts of interesting spelling variations, e.g. Croot, Crowt, Coot, Croote, Croute and I'd even considered it might have started with a G if misheard, thus the * at the beginning.

Other known addresses are;
Pre-1871, Elliot St, Barony with an aunt (not sure which aunt - suspect Ketty, but can't be sure)
26 Feb 1871 - with Mrs. Graham, 38 Catherine St (at time of Poorhouse app.)
11 Black Street, Rottenrow in 1875
179 Parliamentary Road in 1876

I'm just not finding her in the 1871 census, but I feel, having just had a baby, she probably won't have travelled far. Any suggestions welcome.

Best wishes
Lesley

[Liz Turner]

Hi Lesley

Well this is a challenge! You seem to have covered all the bases. The only thought I had was taking your potential misheard/misunderstood names a step further. I've been sitting saying "Crout" to myself for the last 10 mins to see how I might mishear them, if it was said with a thick accent. Then had a look at the Fife death CD to see how names on there are mis-recorded (I know you're not looking in Fife, but it gave me some ideas when I looked at the database in alphabetical order ...). Here are some alternatives you might not have tried:-

Coult, Court, Cout(e)(s), Cout(t)(s), Cook, Cuik, Cuk, Cuke, Couk, Couk, Crook(s), Carruth, Coot. They're a bit off the wall, but you've covered all the rest!

Peace and tranquilty to you in your search (and failing that a large gin!)

Liz

[LesleyB]

Hi Liz

(and failing that a large gin!)

Best suggestion I've heard for a while!
There is a:
COATS LILLIES F 19 AIRDRIE OR NEW MONKLAND /LANARK
- who had me quite excited for a moment - just the sort of name I kinda half expect she is hiding behind...but this one was born Glasgow so don't think so, but caused me a double take - she is at 4 Graham Street. Domestic Servant with a family called Watt. No sign of baby John either. Nearest I've come to her yet though.

Best wishes
Lesley

[momat]

Have you tried CROUTH.

[sporran]

Hello Lesley,


I could not find any promising entries in the census, but there was some interesting information along the way.

John's birth was registered twice. He was born at the Maternity Hospital, Glasgow Central, but her domicile was 38 Catherine Street in the Anderston district. The birth was registered on 3rd April, the day after the 1871 census.

A scroll through the 1871 census film for Anderston looks to be the route to take.


Regards,

John

[LesleyB]

Hi Maureen & John
Thanks for your suggestions.

Maureen - good thinking on that variation - another to add to the list of possibles.

John I think you may be right - a trawl through the film is going to be the only option. On SP there are 96 female Grahams in Anderston in 1871, so that's not the route to try! At least with a street index (which I seem to remember exists, but can't remember if it was available for the '71) I should be able narrow down the options a fair bit before I begin.

Best wishes
Lesley

[JimM]

Hi Lesley
The Mitchell Library has a Glasgow street index for the 1871 census..

Does Lilias's application tell you when she left the the poorhouse?
Would it be possible that she was still in there?... if her child was born about two weeks before the census was taken.

Jim

[Liz Turner]

Have you tried CROUTH.

Lesley

What about Crouch? Was googling for something entirely different (Cornfoot) and spotted Crouch.

Liz

[LesleyB]

Hi Jim

Does Lilias's application tell you when she left the the poorhouse?
Would it be possible that she was still in there?... if her child was born about two weeks before the census was taken.

Looking at the poor application I'm not sure at that point that she was acutally in the poorhouse in 1871 - she seems to have asked them to refer her to the maternity hospital, where John was born (apologies for error in this earlier - was working from memory which is not the best way forward!) - the handwriting is not clear and the ink has bled a bit, but I'm not seeing in & out dates for the poorhouse. They appear to have recovered the costs from Tain poorhouse. At the time she registered the birth on 3rd April her address is given as 38 Catherine St, as Sporran pointed out. Seems likely that is where she will be, but for some reason, which may become obvious when looking at the film, she is not showing up on the SP index, even allowing for wierd spelling variations etc. I have a few bods like this in various census years - she is not alone!

Will report back, when I can, on just who exactly is living at 38 Catherine Street, Anderston (along with Mrs Graham) at a later date!! May be able to access census tomorrow if I can get away.

Thanks for everyone for their input on this!
Best wishes
Lesley

[Jack]

Hi Lesley,
Sorry to say, Lily CROUT isn't at 38 Catherine St.
The GRAHAM family are there though.
--
1871 644-8 Ed 74 p 10 (Anderston)
Robert GRAHAM, head, marr, 29, house joiner, b Coatbridge, LKS
Jean Bishop GRAHAM, wife, marr, 26, ---------b Airdrie, LKS
Alexander GRAHAM, son, 3, ---------------b Coatbridge, LKS
Mary Bishop GRAHAM, daur, 17?mos, ---b Glasgow, LKS
Mary PATERSON, boarder, u/m 22, saleswoman in shoe shop, b Airdrie
--
Jack