Where to look next?.....

[Jean Jeanie]

I have a John Fraser and his wife Jessie Fraser (m.s. McBain) in the 1881 census living in Inverness.

Children:-

Alexander b. 1873 Cromdale and Inverallan
Anabella b 1874 in Grantown Elgin
Helen b. 1876 in Grantown Elgin
Jessie b. 1880 in Grantown.

Can't find John or Jessie in the 1891 census. Found 1 John - wrong. 3 Jessie's - all wrong.

Tried to find a wedding for Anabella - found one - wrong!

Looked for Anabella in the 1891 census. 2 show up. One of them is probably the one that got marrried in the wedding that I found. I think it is probably a waste of 12 credits finding that this is the case and as I can't find the mother or father, then the other Anabella is pobably living elsewhere and how would I know that she is mine.

Any ideas folks?

Jean

[Dennis]

Jean Jeanie.

Did you try a birth/christening search using the following:

Father: John Fraser
Mother: Jessie Fraser

I noticed on SP that Annabella was born in Jan. 1875 and that her parents were married in 1873 he was 23 she was 21.

Sorry I could not be of more help but SP is a money-sponge

dennis

[Jean Jeanie]

Hi Dennis

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

I took the children's d.o.b's from the ages given in the 1881 census. Thanks for the info re Anabella's d.o.b. being 1875 not 1874.

I really want to find them in the 1891/1901 censues to see where they lived and find anyone else on the censuses.

I can't look at my previous searches on SP as it won't let me at the moment. (variable binding error) From memory I looked for John, Jessie and Anabella in Inverness as that was where they were in 1881. As said before, the ones I found were wrong.

If I do a search for the whole of Scotland in 1891 using John's age as 40(goodness knows how many there would be if I broadened the age band) and Jessie's age as 38-39. I get 25 Johns and 15 Jessies!

Very costly to look at them all. It's like playing a fruit machine. I sometimes think it might be cheaper to take a trip to Edinburgh and visit NRH for a few days.

I really need ideas on how to narrow down the search for them.

I can't see the wood for the trees at the moment. Perhaps I need to back away and re-think the strategy.

Jean

[grannysrock]

Hi Jean

I too have had rrouble with the bindy variables this morning - but seems to be ok now.

You could try running the searches for John and Jessie* , and then compare the results of the searches - i.e. first check if the parish matches , then check if the references in the GROS Data column match ( this means they are "living on the same page") . Hopefully there's nor too many combinations of John and Jessie . You could compare the results for Anabella to be doubly sure ( assuming she was still living at home)

Thats only a couple of credits .

Or to save a credit , run the search for Jessie (say). then check if you can get "hits" for Johns of the right age for each parish listed on the search results. You don't have to view the results for John - but you wont get the comfort of a matching reference.

* Don't want to confuse the situation - but was Jessie ever a Janet - most of mine were , so I often check for both - either with a wildcard search ( females only ) J* or 2 separate searches.

Best of luck

Sally

[Jack]

Hi Jean,

Have you tried *wildcards* ? Anabella may have 2 "Ns", or even be as Bella. I've got an Annabella who was sometimes as Isabella!
And it might be easier finding wee Jessie born 1880 if you know she is still living in 1891 - her age should be nearer right than mother Jessie's. Searching 1891 ALL Scotland for;

*bell* Fra?er age 14 to 19 - (99 on 4 pages)
jess* Fra?er age 10 to 13 - (73 on 3 pages)

Looking at these pages will cost 7 credits. Then check the census index nos. to see if you can find 2 that match the GROS reference in Parish, District (last nos. of which will be very near each other).

For another 3 credits you could add - jess* Fra?er age 36 to 44 (64 on 3 pages)

But this is relying on Annabella still living with her parents, and that wee Jessie (or her mother) now isn't as Janet!

If they can be found in 1891 it may give an idea where they might be in 1901. Or if you can find any MCs for the children from say 1882 to 1905 - will show where they were living.

Jack
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ps - oops (i'm always the coo's tail) - Sally has already replied!

[AndrewP]

Hi Jean,

The following list of certificates should be your group:

Marriage: 1873, 128/B1, 6 (19 Dec 1873)

Births:
Alexander: 1873, 128/B1, 18 (illegitimate)
Annabella: 1875, 128/B2, 10 (2 n's in Annabella)
Helen: 1876, 128/B2, 62
Jessie: 1880, 128/B2, 29

At NRH, 128/B2 (Inverallan) gives no onscreen images (an indexing problem). That may be the same for ScotlandsPeople. 128/B1 (Cromdale & Advie) has no problem.

I couldn't find them on the 1891 census either.

All the best,

Andrew

[Jean Jeanie]

Hi All

Found them in the 1891 census. Five more children to boot

Thanks for the help and information you have all provided.

Jean

[Jean Jeanie]

Having now spent time examining the census I just have to tell you(no one else would understand) that it gives me great pleasure, after all these months of ag labs and dom servs, to find an ARCHITECT, albeit an apprentice

I must also show this emoticon Had I not foolishly accepted the ages of John and Jessie in 1881 as being accurate(when will I learn?) I would have found them a lot quicker than I did.

I will learn from my mistakes x 100 lines!

Jean