Chalmers family .....

[maggie]

hi can anybody help me find my chalmers family i am looking for this family in a 1841 1851 or 1861 census .all i know about this family is in 1871 Elizabeth Chalmers married a Samuel Oliver in the district of Hutchestown Glasgow and her parents where given as being deceased their names being William Chalmers a bottle blower and Janet Chalmers m.s Fletcher i can't find any snippet of information anywhere that could give me a lead to develop this branch of my tree so any help in even finding a "twig" would be greatly appreciated regards maggie P.S i wasn't able to find a birth for Elizabeth but her age was given as 20 in 1871,

[Jack]

Hi Maggie,

I notice that the 1881 census says Elizabeth was born at Leith, Edinburgh. As i can't see any suitable CHALMERS family in Glasgow, then maybe Elizabeth & family were still in the Edinburgh area until 1861? There is also the possibility that it was only Elizabeth who came to Glasgow.
Unfortunately i don't have access to any east of Scotland censuses.
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SAMUEL OLIVER
ELIZABETH CHALMERS
Marriage: 26 DEC 1871 Hutchesontown, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

MARY OLIVER - Birth: 31 OCT 1872 Anderston, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
SAMUEL OLIVER - Birth: 24 JAN 1874 Anderston, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
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1881 Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: 23 Grace St
Source: FHL Film 0203666 GRO Ref Volume 644-10 EnumDist 35 Page 10
Samuel OLIVER M 36 M Millport, Bute, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Machinist Boiler Works
Elizabeth OLIVER 32 F Leith, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Wife
Samuel OLIVER 7 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Elizabeth OLIVER 5 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur
William OLIVER 11m M Rothesay, Bute, Scotland Rel: Son
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Sorrry i was unable to help - just no suitable Elizabeth in Glasgow. There is one of the right age in 1851 (1yr) & 1861 (11yrs) - father William, but mother is Elizabeth McCallum, and this girl looks like she died young (1861-1863) as another Elizabeth was born 1863.

Once SP puts the earlier censuses online you may be able to find her. Hope so!

Jack

[maggie]

Hi Jack
thankyou ever so much for taking the time to try to help me it really is appreciated .I've got a confession to make though i now realise that i worded my query wrongly in the respect that i should have included that i had traced Elizabeth and her family of Oliver's following her wedding date it was her life prior to becoming an Oliver that i have no information on (I am still seeking her death record on which following a message in the stat record section i have been kindly advised on lots of avenues to explore)I apologise for the mistake Jack i am quite "new" to this way of searching but i will bear it in mind next time i post a message .once again sorry regards maggie

[Jack]

Hi Maggie,

There's never any need to apologise! It's just a pity i was unable to help.

I think your best bet would be the Leith censuses - or at least try the Edinburgh area first when the earlier censuses come online.

Wish you well with them!

Jack
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ps - if you can't find them as CHALMERS, maybe watch out for them as CHAMBERS etc.
A *wildcard* search may help - say CH*M*ER*
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[maggie]

Hi Jack
thankyou for being understanding i will have a shot at using the wild card method like you suggest thanks once again regards maggie

[nelmit]

hi can anybody help me find my chalmers family i am looking for this family in a 1841 1851 or 1861 census .all i know about this family is in 1871 Elizabeth Chalmers married a Samuel Oliver in the district of Hutchestown Glasgow and her parents where given as being deceased their names being William Chalmers a bottle blower and Janet Chalmers m.s Fletcher i can't find any snippet of information anywhere that could give me a lead to develop this branch of my tree so any help in even finding a "twig" would be greatly appreciated regards maggie P.S i wasn't able to find a birth for Elizabeth but her age was given as 20 in 1871,

Hi Maggie,

I had taken a note of this family to look for them in the poorhouse applications at The Mitchell Library.

I have found an entry for Samuel born 1850 which gives quite a lot of information. Do you have this information or would you like me to post it?

Annette M

[maggie]

Hello Annette
thankyou ever so much for your message yes please that would be brilliant and i would really appreciate it .i will look forward to hearing from you regards Maggie

[nelmit]

Hello Annette
thankyou ever so much for your message yes please that would be brilliant and i would really appreciate it .i will look forward to hearing from you regards Maggie

Hello Maggie,

Here is Samuel’s application to the poorhouse (D HEW 15/4/1 51):

Samuel OLIVER 17 Perth Street. Age 35
Date of application – 17th June 1885

Place of Birth – Millport, Cumbraes.
Religion – Protestant Occupation – Machine Worker
Married – 26th Dec.1871, Rose Street, Glasgow
Disability – Lung disease.

Wife – Elizabeth CHALMERS, 37, born S. Leith, daughter of William CHALMERS a fireman and Janet SINCLAIR both dead.

Parentage of pauper – Samuel OLIVER a fisherman and Mary GALBRAITH both dead.

Family:

Samuel 10 ½ born 59 Washington St. Glasgow
Elizabeth 8 born 29 Grace St. Glasgow
William 5 born 120 High St. Rothesay
Robert 2 born 12 Muirhead St. Partick.

Samuel has not done much work for the last 12 months.
Proof of his birth, his Aunt Mrs. Oliver, Mill Street, Rothesay and Aunt Margaret Galbraith, Mrs. Robertson whose husband used to be Beadle of the Galic (as written) Church in Paisley. Cannot find present address.


Decisions and subsequent changes in circumstances

1885
June 23 5/- weekly for 8 weeks
Aug. 14 Admitted by Cumbrae no instructions.
10/7/86 Report sent. Letter 9061, continue 4/- per week.
21/1/88 Clothing granted to children. (Letter 753)
23/5/88 Report sent.
29/6/89 Pauper gave birth to a stillborn child in December last. She is also reported to be cohabiting with a male lodger. Case reported by her nephew John Chalmers and Mrs. McNaught residing at 27 Catherine St.
29/6/89 Wrote inspector Cumbrae for instruction. See replies 7299 and 7399 to offer her admission to Paisley Poor House.


At least you now know Janet's mother's maiden name and will be able to find the parent's marriage.

I don't think I've missed anything from the application but if you have any questions don't hesitate.

I had a quick look at the Bute census index for 1851 but could not see the OLIVER family listed.

Regards,
Annette M

[maggie]

Hello Annette
thankyou ever so much for the information it makes for very interesting reading .It's definitely my family and i will apply to get a copy of the record just to keep as a "historical document"personal to my ancestors .
Samuel died 2 days after the application date when his age was recorded as being 46.
i can't quite place who the William that has not done much work for the past 12 months could be ? it can't relate to the son age 5 and why would his brother William be mentioned in his application?
I don't have any idea as to who the aunt in Mill street could be the only aunt i have discovered so far died in 1887 in Rothesay.aunt Margaret galbraith must have been a sister to his mother ?and mrs Robertson is also a mystery !!
i had found the co-habiting bit earlier in my search and a child that survived from that union.The nephew who reported her i assume had to be her brother's child (didn't know she had any siblings my mystery woman )and as for Mrs mcnaught well that surname didn't appear in my tree till years later (until now) so annette all this information has thrown up lots of mystery's for me to puzzle over thankyou once again regards maggie

[Jack]

Hi Maggie,

Wilma & Davie had the correct RD, and here's a Mrs McNAUGHT - at 21 Catherine St in 1891 & 1901.
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1881 Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: 38 Richard St
Source: FHL Film 0203667 GRO Ref Volume 644-10 EnumDist 57 Page 15
Margaret MC NAUGHT U 22 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Paper Mill Worker
Christina MC NAUGHT W 43 F Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Mother
Mary MC NAUGHT U19 F Holytown, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Sister Occ: Paper Mill Worker
John MC NAUGHT U 16 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Brother Occ: Iron Moulder Apprentice
William MC NAUGHT 3 m M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son
Margaret CHALMERS U 17 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Paper Mill Worker
William COLLINS U 24 M Ireland Rel: Visitor Occ: Labourer Masons
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1891 cens 644-10 Ed 25 p 7 (Barony - Anderston)
21 Catherine St.
Elizabeth OLIVER, head, widow, 39, ------- b Leith, Edinburgh
Samuel OLIVER, son, 16, rivet heater, b Glasgow
Elizabeth OLIVER, daur, 13, message girl, b Glasgow
William Alex. OLIVER, son, 10, scholar, b Rothesay
Robert OLIVER, son, 7, scholar, b Partick
Jeanie BAXTER, daur, 9mos, --------- b Glasgow
William BAXTER, lodger, u/m 37, engine maker - fitter, b Glasgow
William DUNN, lodger, widower, 40, engine maker - fitter, b Glasgow
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1891 cens 644-10 Ed 25 p 8 (Barony - Anderston)
21 Catherine St.
John McNAUGHT, son, u/m 25, moulder, b Glasgow
Christina McNAUGHT, mother, widow, 56, -------- b Paisley
James LOCKHART, son-in-law, marr, 29, carter, b b Glasgow
Mary LOCKHART, daur, marr, 27, --------- b Glasgow
Christiana LOCKHART, gr-daur, 6, ------- b Glasgow
James LOCKHART, gr-son, 3, --------- b Glasgow
Maggie LOCKHART, gr-daur, 7mos, --- b Glasgow
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1901 cens 644-10 Ed 14 p 18 (Barony - Anderston)
21 Catherine St.
John McNAUGHT, head, u/m 35, iron moulder, b Glasgow
Christina McNAUGHT, mother, widow, 66, ------- b Paisley
James LOCKHART, boarder, marr, 39, engine driver, b Glasgow
Mary LOCKHART, boarder, marr, 37, -------- b Glasgow
Maggie LOCKHART, boarder, 11, scholar, b Glasgow
George LOCKHART, boarder, 5, scholar, b Glasgow
Mary LOCKHART, boarder, 2, ------- b Glasgow
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Seems Christina McNAUGHT's m.s. is McDONALD, and her hubby Michael McNAUGHT. There appears to be a CHALMERS connection somewhere with Christina - but maybe not a related one?
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I've the feeling i'm just making it more confusing....

Jack
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edited to correct wrong year on 1901 census.