Chalmers family .....

[maggie]

Good morning Jack
thankyou for the info on Catherine street and the rest too!!i've just had a quick look on scots people and found nothing that sheds any light or rings any bells!! John Chalmers age about 2 born Bothwell his birth cert 11th July 1860 parents James Chalmers blacksmith and mother janet maiden name i can't even hazzard a guess at the moment (dosen't help that i've just done a night shift)the Margaret chalmers born 1865 father is a Thomas a blacksmith and on this one there is a marriage date recorded which when i checked out gives Thomas' father also a Thomas and you've guessed it also a blacksmith.!!
i've got Christinas death cert yes widow of Michael prehaps the Mcnaught surname is just a co-incidence ? since you've got him as being Irish but i could have done with finding James chalmers death with the link to the name William oh well never mind i'll have another look after some sleep thanks Jack your a star!!

[Jack]

Hi Maggie,

Just some notes; it's always worth looking at the IGI - the John CHALMERS b1860 Bothwell you looked at has mother Janet SHIELDS (marr James 1854) - there are 8 children in the IGI for this couple.

Margaret CHALMERS age 17 in 1881 could've been born before 1865 - there are a few for around 1863.

I notice the Poor Law record that Annette found gives Elizabeth CHALMERS slightly different parent details than what is on her MC, and though it has nephew for John CHALMERS, it doesn't actually say who Mrs. McNAUGHT is. Possibly it's just she was also asked by the inspector to confirm a relationship with the lodger.

Jack

[maggie]

Hello Jack
thanks for your message
i will get back to you later when i have had a look on IGI as you suggest
regards maggie

[Jack]

Hi Maggie,

Oops! Made an error in the census years - i think i'm overdue "a trip doonra watter furra hoaliday". I'd 1891 when it should've been 1901; no wonder ages jumped 20 instead 10yrs! I'll edit & correct my 11th May message.

Nos. 21 & 27 Catherine St were next door to each other - no other nos in between. I see this often in Glasgow even today. Nos usually jump 2, but Glasgow (at least) sometimes has jumps of 4, 6, 8 in between tenements, and i'm sure i saw a jump of 10 a couple of years ago - but my memory being as it is, i just can't mind where this was!
Why numbers are missed out i don't know, as it doesn't seem to be anything to do with the number of storeys or houses up the close. One street near me jumps 6, but it's a 4 storey building with 2 houses on each landing.

Jack

[Jack]

Hi Maggie,

More to confuse. This is the John CHALMERS you found born 1860, BUT, he is with his parents in Bothwell in 1861.
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JOHN CHALMERS
Birth: 11 JUL 1860 Bothwell, Lanark, Scotland
Father: JAMES CHALMERS
Mother: JANET SHIELDS

1861 cens 625-2 Ed 3 p 4 (Bothwell)
James CHALMERS 30, b Bothwell
Janet CHALMERS 31, b Kilmarnock
William CHALMERS 5, b Bothwell
Alexander CHALMERS 4, b Bothwell
James CHALMERS 2, b Bothwell
JOHN CHALMERS, son 1, b Bothwell
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There is also a gr-son John 2yrs b Bothwell. Though the IGI only seems to have only 1 John CHALMERS born in Bothwell of around the right year.
IF it is the same John, then what is the link between the CHALMERS & LOVE families? The 1871 census may show that there ARE 2 Johns of about the same age in Bothwell.
The GM Janet LOVE also has a daur Isabella (b abt 1835), but John isn't her illegitimate son - she has probably married a James Robertson in 1855 and had 4 children by 1861.
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1861 cens 625-2 Ed 10 pp 9-10 (Bothwell)
--50 Baird Square, Holytown.
Hugh LOVE, head, marr, 22 coal miner, b Old Monkland
Janet LOVE, wife, 18, -------- b Glasgow
--52 Baird Square,
Janet LOVE, head, widow, 55, housekeeper, b Larbert, STI
George LOVE, son, u/m 21, coal miner, b Old Monkland
Thomas LOVE, son, 13, asst. coal miner, b Bothwell
Betsey LOVE, daur, 10, scholar, b Bothwell
JOHN CHALMERS, gr-son, 2, -- b Bothwell
--54 Baird Square,
//John STARK, head, widower, 44, coal miner, b New Monkland
Peter STARK, son, u/m 19, coal miner, b New Monkland
/Michael McNAUGHT, lodger, head, marr, 40, railway labourer, b Ireland
Christina McNAUGHT, wife, marr, 27, -------- b Paisley
Margaret McNAUGHT, daur, 6, -------- b Glasgow
John McNAUGHT, son, 4, --------- b Bothwell
Mary McNAUGHT, daur, 1, -------- b Bothwell
--56 Baird Square,
James LOVE, head, marr, 30, coal miner, b Old Monkland
Ann LOVE, wife, 22, ------- b Govan, RFW
Hugh LOVE, son, 7, scholar, b Bothwell
Alexander LOVE, son, 2, ------ b Bothwell
Janet LOVE, daur, 9mos, ----- b Bothwell
--
Maybe the nephew John CHALMERS mentioned in the Poor Law record is someone else entirely, and it's just pure coincidence that a John of the same name in 1861 was living near next door to the same person who was a neighbour of his aunt Elizabeth in 1891.

So at the moment it's all a bit of a mystery - well to me it is!

Jack

[maggie]

Hello Jack
thankyou you I have not got the faintest notion what the connection could be with the Love's . though i hope there is a connection it is a lovely surname!! i will try and get my head around all of this information and maybe's the "penny" will drop somewhere !! I will be back....thanks once again jack a lady once told me she had "dusting bunnies" the size of footballs well that's what i will need if i don't get on and do my chores .speak soon regards maggie