denholm/denham .....

[caraid]

Help
Can't seem to find this family in 1871. They are John Denholm born 183?, Dunbar and Mary McAdam born 1831 Garvald. They got married under Denham surname 30 3 1855 Haddington. He was 22 and She was 23, children were Elizabeth 1856 Whittingehame, John 1858 Athelsteneford, Martha 1860 Ormiston, William 1863 Humbie, Jane 1865 Bolton, Benjamin 1868 Dirleton, Jessie 1870 Prestonkirk & James 1974 Tranent. Martha, age 13 & Janet (Jessie) age 2 died in March 1872 of smallpox in Tranent. In 1881 they are still in Tranent John age 46 and Mary 48 and in 1891 they are in Salton, near Pencaitland John age 52 and Mary 54. Also not sure when this pair died as I havn't been able to find that out neither. Most of the info has the spelling Denholm except the marriage and Williams birth which has Denham.
Hoping someone can help
Yours
Caraid

[nelmit]

Hello Caraid,

The family appear to have been recorded under the name of HENHOLM.
Try searching for the children with that surname in East Lothian.

Regards,

Annette M

[DavidWW]

Hello Caraid,

The family appear to have been recorded under the name of HENHOLM.
Try searching for the children with that surname in East Lothian.

Regards,

Annette M

You're too quick off the mark !! =D>

I was about to suggest searching for a 2 to 4 year old Benjamin *NH*M .....

The enumerator's ink has faded quite badly, so that you have to sympathise with the transcriber ..............


David

[DavidWW]

For the deaths of John and Mary, try first a death search based on the years of birth, not forgetting to use M*cADAM as well.

If that doesn't work, then try the 1891 and 1901 censuses.

If that fails try other deaths of kids, particularly Benjamin, who you will readily find, and then work back to his marriage, and that gives you a range of years in which to search further for the deaths of John and Mary .............

Davie

[caraid]

Thanks Annette and David. Would never have found it under Henholm, but got them now. Already have Benjamin's Marriage and Death, but that dosn't make it any easier. The dates I've been looking between are 1895 - 1912. cannot place them in 1901 but got them in 1891, where they shaved years of their ages, they only aged 6yrs in the 10 yrs between censuses.
Anyway thanks again

Caraid

[DavidWW]

Thanks Annette and David. Would never have found it under Henholm, but got them now. Already have Benjamin's Marriage and Death, but that dosn't make it any easier. The dates I've been looking between are 1895 - 1912. cannot place them in 1901 but got them in 1891, where they shaved years of their ages, they only aged 6yrs in the 10 yrs between censuses.
Anyway thanks again

Caraid

Caraid

Well done in terms of spotting the 1891 record for Benjamin and Barbara.

When a record doesn't turn up in a census, then there's always the possibility that it was never made, or is "hiding" behind an impenetrable mis-transcription, but here there are 3 such missing records, - the 1901 for Benjamin and Barbara, plus both the 1891 and 1901 for John and Mary and the rest of the family, and on top of that, the death records for John and Mary, - which all leads me to suspect that they may have been across the border in Northumberland.

William's death is easy to find using a "year of birth" search, and from that his marriage, but the latter only confirms the probability that the records relating to Benjamin are correct in terms of father John being alive in 1895.

A foray into the TNA 1901 census could be a good next step. If the family is found there, then it would be an obvious step to look for death records there, but the bad news is that English death records don't show the names of the parents.

Davie

[caraid]

Hi Davie
I do have John age 52 & Mary age 54 with daughter Jane, sons Benjamin, James & john in the 1891 census in Salton, East Lothian. Son William with wife Isabella are in Bothwick Parish in 1891. Benjamin married in 1895 in Humbie and was in Ormiston in 1901.
I do know who John and Mary's parents were,and have traced quiet a lot of Mary's family who were McAdam's\Macadams, in fact two of her brothers went to Australia and I have been in contact with their Kin. Its just the fact that I havn't got their deaths yet, but I will do one day. I will take a peep at the English census and see if I can come up with them there. Anyway, thanks again for your help
Yours
Caraid

[DavidWW]

Hi Davie
I do have John age 52 & Mary age 54 with daughter Jane, sons Benjamin, James & john in the 1891 census in Salton, East Lothian. Son William with wife Isabella are in Bothwick Parish in 1891. Benjamin married in 1895 in Humbie and was in Ormiston in 1901.
I do know who John and Mary's parents were,and have traced quiet a lot of Mary's family who were McAdam's\Macadams, in fact two of her brothers went to Australia and I have been in contact with their Kin. Its just the fact that I havn't got their deaths yet, but I will do one day. I will take a peep at the English census and see if I can come up with them there. Anyway, thanks again for your help
Yours
Caraid

Caraid

Understood. You're filling in the gaps. Don't want to sound pessimistic but it took me 7 years to find the death record (in Scotland, forbye) for my great-grandfather Webster.

Davie