Piece by piece like a difficult jigsaw!

[Rach]

This family has been the most difficult to hunt down in my 3yr researching. Piece by piece it is coming together. For ages I have been looking for them on a census - any census! The only one I found easily was 1881, Berwick on Tweed. I had tried everywhere in Scotland, England and Ireland. Their name has been recorded as Clyne, Cline, Climie, McLean. I had 10 credits on Ancestry, looking for Scottish Canadians, and with only 3 left I thought I would have another try with the above family. SUCCESS!! They were in Belmount Barn,Eccles, Berwickshire in 1861. I have found Belmount on an old map. It looks like a farm. Does this mean that they were all living in the barn of the farm, do you think? Their name this time was Clain! There were also 3 children I didn't know about. The father's birthplace is "Sea, On", although the 1881 census says Ireland. Looks like another dead end. The mother was born in Ireland and the children's birthplaces are unknown although I had already found 2 others christened in the mid 1850's in the R.C. Church, Berwick. That will mean another trip to see if I can find the new ones.
Well, just the 1851 and 1871 censuses to go - I wonder where I will track them down to and what name they will be under! k
Frustrating but fantastic when you make another piece fit in.

[pinkshoes]

Hi Rach - why not post a few more clues, and maybe we can find them on Ancestry in 1851. What were the parents names - do you know the father's occupation? How old were the weans in 1861?

Best wishes
Pinkshoes

[Rach]

Hi Pinkshoes,
Yes, it is worth a try!
1861 Census, Belmount Barn, Eccles
[ all with surname Clain]
Michael c1816, on sea [see note i below]
Rebecca c1823, Ireland
Mary c1851, n.k.
Elisabeth c1853, n.k
Rebecca c1855, n.k. [see note ii below]
James c1857, n.k

My research so far:
i. I haven't gone on S.P. yet to get the actual page so don't know what his occupation was in 1861.
On his daughter's m.c. in 1879 his surname is McLean and his wife, Rebecca's m.s. is Cleghorn; his occup., is given as Hind.
1881 census, Berwick/Tweed, surname Cline; a Hawker;
1882 on his d.c. at the home of his son, Michael, in Berwickshire, occup., Labourer. His wife is named as Rebecca Colman on that [perhaps he delivered coal in the area!]

ii. Rebecca, chr 22 July 1854, Berwick R.C. church; parents: Michael and Rebecca Cline [formerly Higgins], [Toll Marriage]
There was also another son, Michael, chr 5 June 1857, Berwick R.C.; parents Michael Clyne and Rebecca Dogherty. This must be the same family as 'old' Michael is living in Berwick with 'young' Michael in 1881. 'Old' Rebecca [surname McLean] is visiting 'young' Rebecca and family in Eyemouth on that date.
I have still to access old Rebecca's d.c. but she died in Berwick workhouse in 1893.
There is no mention of Mary, Elisabeth or James on the 1881 census. I'll have to have a look for them now that I have found them.
Hope you can make sense of all that!
Thanks for reading through it anyway.
Rae

[pinkshoes]

Hi Rach - no good news so far I'm afraid. I've had a look on 1851 and even allowing for the vagaries of Ancestry I can't see anything that even resembles Michael and/or Rebecca. I've gone through page by page as far as possible but no joy.

I've also had a look on 1881 for James - the girls are probably married - but the only James Clyne or variation was a 25 year old patient described as "idiot" in Forfar Asylum. That seems unlikely.

Rebecca seems to have had a fair few surnames I can just about understand the variety of Clynes and at a push McLean, but how did we get Cleghorn, Higgins, Colman and Dogherty? What name did you find her death under?

I've not given up yet (well, I have for now but I'll be at it again tomorrow) but maybe somebody else will see something we've missed.

Best wishes
Pinkshoes

[Rach]

Hi Pinkshoes,
Thank you so much for all the bother you are going to. Sometimes two heads are better than one but with this family I think 100 heads would have difficulty!
Rebecca's many surnames are from:
Higgins - in son, Michael's entry in RC baptism register;
Dogherty - in daughter, Rebecca's RC baptism entry;
Cleghorn was from daughter's mar., cert. and
Colman from husband's death cert.
The only name I have so far from her own death in the Workhouse is Clymie/Clyne as I haven't accessed it yet. I doubt if there will be any help there though as I don't think the children knew what her maiden name had been anyway.
I have looked at Lamberton Toll book but at that time I was looking for Clyne/Cleghorn, although I'm sure I would have noticed if there was a Michael marrying a Rebecca.
By the way they are my gr gr grandparents.
Then there is my grandmother, Mary Ann [Clyne], who was born c 1875/76, supposedly, in Berwick but I can't find her birth either. At that time young Rebecca wasn't married. After she married in 1879 her husband named her as his step-daughter on the Census.
I think this one is going to run and run but I love a challenge!
Rae

[Rach]

Having a few minutes online to get away from the chaos of Christmas preparations!
The other day I found the marriage of Eliz. Clyne in Berwick in 1874. This may be another lead to that family but won't know for certain until I send for the certificate [that will have to wait for a week or two]. She may have married a Thomas Gibbons as there is a Thomas and Elizabeth Gibbons in the 1881 census.
Rae

[Rach]

AH! HA! I thought, " Ancestry has the 1871 Scottish census online. This time I will track them down" ..................not so .
They have disappeared again. In the 1861 Census they were in the 'list of people not living in houses' at Belmont Barn, Eccles and father, Michael was a hawker.
Perhaps because they were always moving about they missed the census. At least I have them onwards from the Berwick 1881 census so I guess I am lucky but it is always great to find that other piece of the jigsaw.
Maybe a little one of these will help!
Rae