Help Please.

Cathy · Post by **Cathy** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:42 pm

Need some new eyes seeking this family 1901.

1891 census: 15, Abercromby St., Calton, Glasgow. 644/04 059/04 011
Ellen Quin, Head, Widow, age 25, Washerwoman, b. Glasgow.
James Quin, Son, 6, b. Glasgow.
John Quin, Son, 3, b. Glasgow.
Thomas Quin, Son, 8 months, b. Glasgow.

Ellen (McKenna) married James Quinn 1887.
James died 1890.
Need help to find births of James (before marriage?) and John.

Ellen had at least 3 daughters with Peter McLeod.

1. 1897 12 December
Ellen McKenna or Quinn, Illegitimate, 226, Moncur Street, Glasgow.

2. 1900 20th March
Christina McLeod, Illegitimate, 226 Moncur Street, Glasgow.
Christina died 1901 Residence 31, Greenvale St., Glasgow.

3.1902 10th February
Catherine McKenna or Quinn; Illegitimate. 31 Greenvale Street, Glasgow.
Street, Glasgow.

Any help finding anything on Peter McLeod on anything. His parents are named as Peter McLeod and Mary Ferguson.
He was born c.1868. He married Ellen/Helen 1930 and he died 1931.
He was a Carter/Coal merchant's carter.
He was a Private Scottish Rifles at birth of Christina.

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:23 pm

Hello and Happy New Year Cathy

Not much on Peter I'm afraid but hopefully a bit of help with the births of James and John.

From a poorhouse application made in 1890:

Widow James Quin Helen McKenna
15 Abercrombie Street. Date of Application-11.7.90

Born Renfrew Lane, Barony
Age 24 - Widow - R.C.

Married 5.1.87 at Tobago Street Rev John Murray.
Reason for application - Pregnant.
She earns 2/6 weekly.

Parents James McKenna, labourer and Mary Martin (BD)
Husband was an iron moulder from Saltmarket. Son of John Quin Customhouse Officer (dead) and Jane Logan residing at S. Wellington? 1st close right from Rutherglen Road.

Family:
James illegitimate 5y 3 m born 45 Duke Street. (James was later marked dead)
John 2 born in Motherwell.
She made another application in 1930 and the inspector added this to the family info

Illegt. by paramour Peter McLeod.
Helen b.1897 Moncur St
Cath b. 1903 Greenvale St
Rose b. 1908 E. Rose St

16.1.30 Widow Jas Quin, 52 Canmore Street to E.D.H. Paramour Peter McLeod on panel. She has an army pension of 12/- for grandson.

She was referred to Govan where they filled out another application but the only extra piece of information was on the 10th October 1894 it was stated that she had an illegitimate child named Margaret, 7 months old.

There is another application which I will look at next time I go (I gave an incorrect reference today) but I don't think it will tell us much more as it was, again, made in 1890.

I looked at both 226 Moncur Street and 31 Greenvale Street on the 1901 census but no joy finding Peter or Helen.
I will look again at other addresses given (unless Jack comes up with anything)- I ran out of time today.

Kind regards,
Annette

karenc · Post by **karenc** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:39 pm

Well done Annette,

looks like you have been very busy today!

I actually wanted to ask about poor relief records. how would i know if someone was likely to have applied for poor relief? is it worth a look anyway if you are looking for more info on someone?

Karen

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:51 pm

karenc wrote:Well done Annette,

looks like you have been very busy today!

I actually wanted to ask about poor relief records. how would i know if someone was likely to have applied for poor relief? is it worth a look anyway if you are looking for more info on someone?

Karen

Hello Karen,

In this particular case the chances were high because Helen was a widow with young children.

A lot of the applicants die in the poorhouse so again an application will have been made but not all of the books survived.

If you want to give me a couple of names with birth dates and places I will have look next time I'm there.

Regards,
Annette M

Cathy · Post by **Cathy** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:28 pm

Happy New Year Annette,
you are a Saint (We need an emoticon ).
Many, many thanks.

Cathy · Post by **Cathy** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:59 pm

Hi Annette,
probably won't help:
Margaret was born 1894 73, King St. and died
1895 at 3, Tobago St.

Found the birth of John 1888 District of Dalziel.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:00 pm

Hi Cathy

you are a Saint (We need an emoticon

We have one!

Wel, as close as you are going to get!

Best wishes
Lesley

Cathy · Post by **Cathy** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:02 pm

The old eyes again Lesley. It needs a bigger, more stand out halo.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:06 pm

I'd agree - it's a bit subtle! A very modest wee saint!
Needs mair bling

karenc · Post by **karenc** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:13 pm

Hi Annette,

thanks for your kind offer to do a lookup for me

when do the poor relief records stop so that i dont waste your time with dates

Karen