1891 census help/deciphering needed .....

delmarco · Post by **delmarco** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:50 am

Hello All:
Ive uploaded a page from the 1891 census, I believe Catherine Feeney is listed as mother, I think her son John may be listed below as john Finnie, what do you think???? I cannot decipher some of it.....eagle eyes are needed!

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1005

Thanks
Karen

Gallery URL added - AndrewP

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:51 am

no ones approved it yet Karen so I can't view it.....ah well....off to bed and it'll be solved in a few hours by the next shift....

Best wishes
Jean

Post by **AndrewP** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:38 am

Hi Karen,

I think you have uploaded the wrong census page.

All the best,

AndrewP

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:40 am

AndrewP wrote:Hi Karen,

I think you have uploaded the wrong census page.

All the best,

AndrewP

Indeed!

David

delmarco · Post by **delmarco** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:56 pm

Oh my forgive me it was late....
I just uploaded (hopefully) the correct one, I belive Catherine Feeney is the 4th entry, and perhaps her son John is #5 in his own household, and is listed as Finnie, ive seen him listed as Finnie on other doc's any idea why he would use a different spelling?
Just a thought, from an earlier post about his dead ol dad Bernard, it was mentioned he may have deserted the family ( cannot find any death record of him, and he is listed as deceased on his daughter Catherine's birth certificate). Maybe his way of disassociation??

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1005

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1006

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1008

Thanks for your help.

Karen

Gallery url added by Marilyn

Muriel · Post by **Muriel** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:32 pm

Hi Karen

I would say that the BC says that Catherine Feenie was born on 1st October at 258 King Street, Rutherglen & was the daughter of John Feenie & Catherine m/s Gallacher.

As far as the census goes it looks like 2 households to me. No. 39 shows:

Philip Jeffrey, head, aged 30, labourer, born Ireland
Kate, wife, aged 26, born Uddingston, Lanarkshire
Mrs Catherine Feeney, mother, aged 60?, born Ireland

No. 40 shows:

John Finnie, aged 25, head, coal miner, born Mossend, Lanarkshire
Kate, wife 25
Kate, daughter, 18 months

This is not to say that the line isn't in the wrong place and Catherine should be listed with John & family - no doubt other will have views!

Muriel

Muriel · Post by **Muriel** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:40 pm

Karen

Looking again at the census, I wonder if Catherine is the mother of Kate rather than Philip. Kate is born in Uddingston & John in Mossend & they're not a million miles apart. I could be a case of brother & sister living on the same stair with mother living with the daughter. Would Kate fit in anywhere? The fact that John & Catherine were behind 2 different doors might be enough to account for the difference in the spelling of their names.

Muriel

delmarco · Post by **delmarco** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:37 pm

Muriel:

Indeed Kate is Catherine's daughter, found her already, I just find it interesting that son John uses a different spelling of the name.

Thank you all for your input!
Karen

Muriel · Post by **Muriel** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:23 am

Did the person fill in the form in 1891 or did the enumertor do it? If the latter, that could account for the change in spelling. The other possibility is that John changed his name to something less identifiably Irish. Sad to say that there was (& in some cases still is) religious prejudice which could affect someone's ability to obtain employment. On the other hand, maybe he just couldn't spell

Muriel

Post by **AnneM** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:39 pm

Hi

It's possible that the change was deliberate. I've just been researching for a friend of a friend and her O'Neils morph into Neil or Neills between 1860 and 1871. As they continue to use Neill thereafter well into C20 it must have been done with the purpose of looking less Irish.

Anne