I've just found my great great grandfather in the 1891 Census living in the Village of Avonhead in New Monkland, with an address that is quite clearly "Steamboat Rows"!
Can anyone shed any light on this? I've looked at some old maps and can find Avonhead easy enough, but can't see a canal or 'works' for miles. Out of all 5 families listed at the same location on the page, they are all coal miners. I know the Monkland Canal goes through Coatbridge but I thought that any boats or barges would be made closer to it and if being made in Avonhead at least one family would be involved in their construction.
And here I thought finding 'Double Dandy Rows' in Carfin on an 1894 MC was exotic........
Brian
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Steamboat Rows, Avonhead, New Monkland .....
SMITH - Luss/Lanarkshire
BURNSIDE - Londonderry/Lothian
SWEENEY - Donegal/Monklands
GILCHRIST - Lanark/Lothians/Peebles
HUNTER/GWYNNE - Monklands/Fife/Stirling
LOGIE/DUNLOP/YOUNG/THOMSON - Lothian
BURNSIDE - Londonderry/Lothian
SWEENEY - Donegal/Monklands
GILCHRIST - Lanark/Lothians/Peebles
HUNTER/GWYNNE - Monklands/Fife/Stirling
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Now that's foxed me
Nothing in the valuation rolls, Old Maps and even Google came up with nothing relevant.
What did it say in the census header, if any was available? Sometimes they can be quite informative.
What did it say in the census header, if any was available? Sometimes they can be quite informative.
[b]Mary[/b]
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Hi Mary,
I've looked at the header page and there are a list of places and addresses such as Greendykeside and Stanrigg etc. These are all in the vicinity and are still shown on an OS map. The only reference to Avonhead is 'Avonhead Rows'. No references to any works, canals or industry.
The page on which my great great grandfather is listed has the 5 families at Nos. 6, 7, 8, 9 & 10 Steamboat Rows.
David,
I don't know if the canal would have branched off as far as this - it's about 6 miles outside Coatbridge. I'd be interested to see what is shown on your map.
Best wishes
Brian
I've looked at the header page and there are a list of places and addresses such as Greendykeside and Stanrigg etc. These are all in the vicinity and are still shown on an OS map. The only reference to Avonhead is 'Avonhead Rows'. No references to any works, canals or industry.
The page on which my great great grandfather is listed has the 5 families at Nos. 6, 7, 8, 9 & 10 Steamboat Rows.
David,
I don't know if the canal would have branched off as far as this - it's about 6 miles outside Coatbridge. I'd be interested to see what is shown on your map.
Best wishes
Brian
SMITH - Luss/Lanarkshire
BURNSIDE - Londonderry/Lothian
SWEENEY - Donegal/Monklands
GILCHRIST - Lanark/Lothians/Peebles
HUNTER/GWYNNE - Monklands/Fife/Stirling
LOGIE/DUNLOP/YOUNG/THOMSON - Lothian
BURNSIDE - Londonderry/Lothian
SWEENEY - Donegal/Monklands
GILCHRIST - Lanark/Lothians/Peebles
HUNTER/GWYNNE - Monklands/Fife/Stirling
LOGIE/DUNLOP/YOUNG/THOMSON - Lothian
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No offshoots of the canal up that end of the world as far as I can see.
It's between Greengairs and Longriggend.
It's slapbang in the middle of coal mining country, so there would have been several 'raws' thrown up by the collery owners as workers required them.
Who was the mine owners at that point? if they also had an interest in a boat building company they might have named a new miners row after that?
Far fetched perhaps, but often these industries were linked. For instance the Carron foundry owners needed coal to make the steel, so they had mines in and around Falkirk, a steam boat needs coal, so why not mine it yourself?
I'm intrigued
It's between Greengairs and Longriggend.
It's slapbang in the middle of coal mining country, so there would have been several 'raws' thrown up by the collery owners as workers required them.
Who was the mine owners at that point? if they also had an interest in a boat building company they might have named a new miners row after that?
Far fetched perhaps, but often these industries were linked. For instance the Carron foundry owners needed coal to make the steel, so they had mines in and around Falkirk, a steam boat needs coal, so why not mine it yourself?
I'm intrigued
Wilma
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Hi BrianRockford wrote:....snipped...............
David,
I don't know if the canal would have branched off as far as this - it's about 6 miles outside Coatbridge. I'd be interested to see what is shown on your map.
Best wishes
Brian
Even if I can find the map, my memory is that it probably wont be sufficiently detailed so that it helps you here ...........
David
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Hi Brian,
I've looked at various 1:10560 and 1:2500 Ordnance Survey maps from the 1860s to the 1920s. Most of them show Avonhead Rows, detailing them as six rows of houses, but none of these rows are named on the maps, so there is no telling which may have been Steamboat Rows.
As Wilma has described, they are well away from the Monkland Canal. The nearest point of that canal was at its eastern terminus at Calderbank Steelworks, about 5 miles as the crow flies from Avonhead Rows.
All the best,
AndrewP
I've looked at various 1:10560 and 1:2500 Ordnance Survey maps from the 1860s to the 1920s. Most of them show Avonhead Rows, detailing them as six rows of houses, but none of these rows are named on the maps, so there is no telling which may have been Steamboat Rows.
As Wilma has described, they are well away from the Monkland Canal. The nearest point of that canal was at its eastern terminus at Calderbank Steelworks, about 5 miles as the crow flies from Avonhead Rows.
All the best,
AndrewP
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Hi Brian
Like David I know there is mention somewhere of various small side canals to link the small collieries with the main Forth & Clyde canal but theonly reference i have is 'From sea to sea' by Len Paterson which decribes all the canals across Scotland.
The side branches were smaller, narrower and quite short-lived. Their haulage would almost certainly be horse-power rather than steam though.
Perhaps an optimistic mine-owner had the rows built but the canals were never really developed because steam railways arrived.
Russell
Like David I know there is mention somewhere of various small side canals to link the small collieries with the main Forth & Clyde canal but theonly reference i have is 'From sea to sea' by Len Paterson which decribes all the canals across Scotland.
The side branches were smaller, narrower and quite short-lived. Their haulage would almost certainly be horse-power rather than steam though.
Perhaps an optimistic mine-owner had the rows built but the canals were never really developed because steam railways arrived.
Russell
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