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Vistor on 1871 Census driving me crazy …..

Post by sheilajim » Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:19 am

Hi All
A visitor on the 1871 Census is driving me crazy. Even though she shows up on all the censuses from 1841 through 1871, she doesn't seem to have been born, married or even died. [alien]
It all started several days ago when I was looking over some SP printouts from some months back, when I noticed that on the 1871 Census for Stirling, that my GGrandfather's sister Margaret McDonald married to Robert Scott had some visitors on the day the census was taken. There were 3 little girls between 6 and 10 with the name of Miller, born in Alloa, and a lady aged 74, born in Fintry, with the name of Janet Dunn.
I really got excited about Janet Dunn. I don't think that I am being unreasonable in assuming that she was a relation, especially when my GGGrandfather's mother was named Chirsten Dun. He was born in Fintry in 1799. My Dunns have been very elusive and this could be the breakthrough that I had been looking for. At age 74, she would be older than my GGGrandfather, possible some cousin. \:D/

Further research revealed that the 3 little girls were her daughter's children. Her daughter was named Janet Watson, and had married a Master Baker named John Miller from Alloa in 1852. It also revealed that Janet Dunn was using her maiden name on every census. I cannot find any trace of Janet Watson's father John Watson. :(
Here is what I have of Janet Dunn:
Census 1841- Denny- Janet Dunn, age 33, :shock: Janet Watson, age 17
Census 1851- Denny- Janet Dunn, age 40, :shock: Janet Watson, age 23
Census 1861- Alloa- Janet Dunn, age 55. :shock: Janet Miller, age 36
Census 1871- Stirling Janet Dunn, age 74, :-s Janet Miller-Alloa, age 44
What the heck was Janet Dunn's real age? [5 cups] The age of her daughter isn't as important as I have her marriage and death certs. Janet Watson Miller's husband died in 1868, and she died in 1874.

There are only 2 Janet Dunns born in Fintry between 1790 and 1810 and her age doesn't seem to fit either of them. Her daughter is listed on every census as being born in Denny, but I can't find any record of her birth. I can't find any record of a marriage between a Janet Dunn and a John Watson in Stirlingshire for that time period. In the whole of Scotland there is only one marriage listed between a Janet Dunn and a John Watson. It takes place in Leoschol-Cushie, Aberdeen in Dec 1824. I think that Aberdeen is too far away for it to be them. Besides if Janet Watson's age is correct on the 1841 census she was born in 1824.

To rule out the Aberdeen couple of being my couple, I researched them too. They had 3 children all born in Lumphanan, Aberdeen, one in 1825, another named Robert in 1827, and another in 1830. Then this couple and two of their children disappear. [comp03] Only Robert is left for the 1841 Census, his age listed as 12 and employed as an Ag Lab. I followed him through all the censuses to 1891 without finding any connection to my Janet Dunn.

In 1881 Janet Dunn and her 7 Miller grandchildren disappear from the census, though two of them show up in the 1891 census living in their deceased parents home.
The worst thing of all is that I can't find the death of Janet Dunn, married to John Watson. :cry:

Sorry to be so long winded, but does anyone have any ideas where I should look next, or can they see something that I am overlooking?

Disappointed in California, :(

Sheila

P.S.John Miller left a Will, but it didn't give me any info on Janet Dunn. Janet Watson Miller didn't leave a Will, but Inventory was recorded, which I haven't looked at yet, doubting that it will tell me anything.
Sheila

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Post by apanderson » Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:03 am

Hi Sheila,

You've probably seen all these but 'just in case', they are all the Janet Dunns listed as being born in Fintry from th British Vital Records CD's

DUN, Jennat, 1769 to Alexander DUN & Mary COUAN
DUN, Janet , 1778 to James DUN & Marrion BARLOCH
DUN, Janet , 1782 to William DUN & Jean FERGUSON
DUN, Janet , 1784 to Andrew DUN & Margret FERGUSON
DUN, Janet , 1789 to Alexander DUN & Margret COWAN
DUN, Janet , 1790 to John DUN & Cathrin MCFARLANE
DUN, Jannet Crawford, 1808 to David DUN & Jean Pringle CLARK
DUNN, Janet, 1812 to David DUNN & Janet DUNN
DUNN, Janet, 1818 to Alexander DUNN & Agnes BUCHANAN
DUNN, Janet, 1833 to William DUNN & Christian DOCHART
DUNN, Janet, 1852 to James DUNN & Mary REILLY

The following (from the same source) are all the Janet Dunns listed as being born in Denny.

DUN, Janet , 1762 to William DUN & Betty STARK
DUN, Janet , 1764 to Alexander DUN (no mother's name listed)
DUN, Janet , 1803 to James DUN & Helen DAVIE
DUN, Janet , 1811 to James DUN & Helen DAVIE
DUN, Janet , 1818 to John DUN & Margaret CHALMERS
DUNN, Janet, 1823 to Hugh DUNN & Janet MORISON
DUN, Janet , 1828 to John DUN & Margaret CHALMERS
DUNN, Janet, 1830 to Hugh DUNN & Janet MORISON
DUNN, Janet Willison, 1833 Alexander DUNN & Janet WILLISON

There is also a 'parent search' facility so all the siblings born to each set of parents comes up, along with actual dates of birth and dates of christenings, if known (Now and again, completely unrelated births appear who just happen to have parents with the same names!)

If there's any of the above lot you'd like more info on, just let me know.

Anne

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Post by emanday » Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:08 am

Hi Sheila,

Believe me I know! You think you've cracked it, then another black hole opens :lol:

Your Janet Dunn. On the 1841 census she claims she is 33. If she were telling the truth that year, she'd have been born in 1808.

JANNET CRAWFORD DUN Christening: 13 MAR 1808 Fintry, Stirling, Scotland

Father: DAVID DUN
Mother: JEAN PRINGLE CLARK

Seems like a fit?
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Post by sheilajim » Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:28 am

Hi Mary

Thank you for the info.
It well could by that it is the 1808 one. She claims on every Census to have been born in Fintry. I have just examined the 1841 census where she claims to have been 33 years old. That would mean that she was born in 1808. On the 1861 Census her age is given as 55, that again would mean that she was born in 1808. On the 1851 census she would have been born in 1811. :? The big problem is the 1871 Census where her age is given as 74, which would mean that she was born in 1797. In the experience that I have, nobody over 18 ever gives her age as older only younger. On the other hand, maybe my Great Aunt gave her age as 74, when Janet was visiting them.

The 5th born granddaughter's name is Jane. I suppose that it could be interchangeble with Jean, or the name could come from little Jane's father's family. I guess that I will have to research John Miller/Millar.

Thanks again,

Sheila

P.S. I guess if Genealogy was easy, I wouldn't be as interested in it.
Sheila

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Post by DavidWW » Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:57 am

sheilajim wrote:.......snipped............ In the experience that I have, nobody over 18 ever gives her age as older only younger. On the other hand, maybe my Great Aunt gave her age as 74, when Janet was visiting them........................
.....snipped
Sheila

P.S. I guess if Genealogy was easy, I wouldn't be as interested in it.
That might be true up to the age of somewhere around 50, but thereafter, it's not uncommon to find the reverse effect, since greater age was seen as greater wisdom, etc., etc.; never mind that it may well have been someone other than the lady herself reporting her age.

Given the consistent fits in earlier censuses, that "74" wouldn't worry me.

I may have missed it somewhere in the thread, but (a) what was the age reported on her death register entry, and (b) what address had she been living at?

David

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Post by emanday » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:42 am

David is right about older folk increasing their age! Both my Grandmother and Great Aunt certainly did it!

There is also, as he said, the possibility that someone gave her details on that census and got it wrong.
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Post by joette » Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:03 pm

Yes it's like a six year old saying "I am nearly seven"when their birthday was the week before.
My Granny used to regularly boast of being almost ninety when she was still in her early eighties& when she reached ninety she was "almost a hundred"! :)
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Post by Susan » Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:02 pm

Hi Sheila

Been playing about with this one during my lunchbreak and finally made progress !!!

From SP - Janet Dunn died 13/03/1883 at Broad Street, Alloa aged 86 and death was registered by grandson John Millar. I tried looking for death in both Stirlingshire and Clackmannan as the family had been in both places in the census info you gave us. I also used the widest range of ages from all her given ages in the census info. Her parents are shown as John Dunn and Margaret Dunn (ms Edmond).

Using IGIs - this combination did not turn up a birth for Janet but there was a Jenot Dun born to John Dun and Keatrin Edmond, christened 11/06/1797 Associate Session, Balfron, Stirling. This couple (with many various spellings Keatrin/Catrine etc) have several children over a period of 26 years or so - including a Christian Dun born 1774 who may well be your gg grandfathers mother Chirstan Dun.

I did not manage to find Janet in the 1881 census yet however.

Susan.

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Post by SarahND » Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:16 pm

Brilliant, Susan!!!
Sheila will be so pleased when she wakes up in California :D If that was your lunchbreak, what do you do while actually working?!
All the best,
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Post by Caroline » Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:49 pm

Hi Sheila,

Looks like Janet was in Alloa with her grandchildren for 1881 census:

Dwelling: 9 Broad Street
Census Place: Alloa, Clackmannan, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203534 GRO Ref Volume 465 EnumDist 8 Page 2

Janet DUNN W 83 F Fintry, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Grandmother Head
John MILLAR U 26 M Alloa, Clackmannan, Scotland
Rel: Grand Son
Occ: Baker
Robert MILLAR U 28 M Alloa, Clackmannan, Scotland
Rel: Grand Son
Occ: Clerk
Jane MILLAR U 20 F Alloa, Clackmannan, Scotland
Rel: Grand Daughter
Occ: Housekeeper
Mary MILLAR U 18 F Alloa, Clackmannan, Scotland
Rel: Grand Daughter
Occ: Shopkeeper
Elizabeth MILLAR U 16 F Alloa, Clackmannan, Scotland
Rel: Grand Daughter
Occ: Milliner


Caroline

P.S. And if you go to

http://www.clacksweb.org.uk/site/galler ... urofalloa/

you'll find sime pictures of Broad Street!
Hood, Nicholson, Strang, Taylor, Wallace - GLASGOW
Ritchie, Robertson, Smith, Summers - FIFE
Henderson, Montgomery, Rutherford - HAUGH OF URR
Hart, McAdam, Young - DUNBARTONSHIRE
Caldwell, Roberts - RENFREWSHIRE