Thomas Burnside .....

karenmcc · Post by **karenmcc** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:09 am

Hi All,

I'm having trouble finding my GGgrandfather Thomas BURNSIDE on the 1841 and 1851 census. The first place I have him for sure is his 1852 marriage to Mary MURDOCH in Muirkirk, Ayrshire.

I then have him in the 1861 census at Shoulderigg?, Lesmahagow, Lanrkshire. He is 20 b Hamilton and an Ironstone miner.

He and Mary have the following children,

Alexander b 1854, d 1855 muirkirk:
Janet bc 1855 (I also can't find her birth so I think she may have actually been born in 1854, this is my direct line):
Alexander Thomas b1856 muirkirk (this alexander later goes by the name thomas)
James Murdoch b1858 lesmahagow
Samual b 1863 Lesmahagow
Robert Carruthers b 1866 Lesmahagow:
William b 1868 Lesmahagow:
Elizabeth b 1869 Douglas, Lanarkshire:
Peter b 1870 Lesmahagow:
David b 1872 Lesmahagow:
Mary b1874 Muirkirk.

I have his death,aged 60 in 1893, Driversholm, Douglas, Lanarkshire. His occupation is coal miner(I am pretty sure this is his death, although it has his wifes name as Mary Murdoch McMillan. Her name should be Mary McMillan Murdoch) This gives his parents names as Thomas and Margaret McDougall. It is signed by his son Thomas. I can find no trace of this couple.

Please help.

Karen Mc Cubbin

ellenavon · Post by **ellenavon** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:57 am

Hi Karen

Most likely looking candidate on the 1851, although there are a lot of discrepancies, is:

Thomas Burnside, 26 (c.1825) b. Mauchline, Ayrshire, Railway Labourer,
a lodger with

John Dornin, 28, Railway Labourer b. Ireland
Mary Dornin, 27, wife, b. Ireland
Samuel Dornin, 2 months, b. Durisdeer, Dumfriesshire
Costine (?!) Murphy, 33, Railway Labourer, Lodger, b. Ireland

at Muirfoot, Durisdeer, Dumfriesshire.

Doesn't get you any further forward I'm afraid.

There is someone else researching this family, as there are a couple of submissions on the familysearch site for Thomas' birth (estimates, so they have no more knowledge than you), noting also his marraige to Mary in 1852.

Can't see any sign of him so far on 1841

Regards

Ellen.

NB - just noticed that there is a child's death in 1855. It might be worth downloading this cert from SP, as there could be more info on that re Thomas's origins.

karenmcc · Post by **karenmcc** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:53 am

Hi Ellen,

Thank you for having a look. I have got the 1855 death cert and there is nothing of interest on it. I have done a search on SP for all Thomas BURNSIDES on the 1851 census, although did not view any of them as none looked like the right one. I suppose he could have lied about his age as Mary was only 17 when they married. But has does say he was born in hamilton on the census I have.

I have also looked on freecen for ALL BURNSIDES. I thought the 1841 on freecen was complete, so didn't have a look on SP, but have now found out I am wrong. There are 10 Thomas's on Freecen, but 14 on SP. Will have to wait till I get some more credits now, because as usual I coudn't be patient and used them all up on things that I really could have waited for.

I did however find this family on freecen which I thought was very interesting.

1841 Census Barony Calton 36 Main st

Alexr 45 Cotton Hand Loom Weaver b Ireland
Margt 40 b unkknown
James 16 Cotton hand loom weaver b Lanarkshire
Alexr 14 " "
Samuel 10 " "
Peter 8 " "
Jean 6 " "
Elizabeth 4 " "

On Thomas's Death cert his father is a cotton weaver, Thomas names sons Alexander, Samuel and Peter and a daughter Elizabeth ( he has a James but that is after his wifes father.) Also son Thomas who signs his death cert was Christened Alexander Thomas and then just goes by the name Thomas, mayby this was some sort of family tradition or maybe Thomas who signed the death cert just got the info wrong. Should try to follow this family up.

Karen

karenmcc · Post by **karenmcc** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:21 am

OK. I have this couple from the IGI:

Thomas Allan BURNSIDE m Margaret Moir MCDOUGALL 1864 Bridgeton.

Don't know why I haven't noticed them before. But they obviously can't be my Thomas's parents. Thought mayby Thomas was born Illigit. to
Margaret and then took on the name Burnside but this couple have married after my Thomas married by the name of Burnside, and Margaret would have had to have had him aged about 12 to still be having kids in the seventies as this couple were. I reckon thomas the son has got things confused.

I still like the looks of the family I found in the 1841. Will have to try and find out what has happened to them when I get some more crds.

Karen

karenmcc · Post by **karenmcc** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:38 am

Just thought of something else.

Can someone please look at his mothers surname and confirm that it is in fact McDougall. I was told by someone else that that's what it was, but the 'ou' look funny.

Shall try to upload the image, haven't done it for a while so I hope it works.

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1286

Also I have him on the 1861 and 1891 census where he states place of birth to be Hamilton Lanarkshire. Everyone else on the cenuses have the right places of birth which are quite varied. (I have some censuses for other families where the top one just has dittos under them because they obviously didin't care/didn't know/ didn't think it was important or thought it no ones business where everyone was actually born.)

Karen

Gallery url added by Marilyn

Post by **AndrewP** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:05 am

karenmcc wrote:Can someone please look at his mothers surname and confirm that it is in fact McDougall. I was told by someone else that that's what it was, but the 'ou' look funny.

Hi Karen,

I agree with McDougall - Margaret Burnside, M.S. McDougall (deceased).

All the best,

AndrewP

karenmcc · Post by **karenmcc** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:54 pm

Andrew, thank you for having a look. Had been told it was McDougall before I had viewed the image and thought I might just be agreeing with what I had been told already.

Karen

Post by **AndrewP** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:06 am

Hi Karen,

The ou in McDougall that was called into suspicion becomes more apparent if you magnify the image.

All the best,

AndrewP

karenmcc · Post by **karenmcc** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:09 am

Hi All,

finally got myself some more crds but am quickly going through them without seeming to get to far.

Decided I should look into the family of Alexander and Margaret with the Samual and Peter with them. Thought I had found Samuals death but it wasn't. Did find Peter's. I think I might be onto something here.

Peter BURNSIDE married to Mary GRAHAM d 2 Aug 1872 Glasgow, Parents Alexander BURNSIDE and Margaret McDOUGALL.

So looks like Thomas's son got his grandfathers name wrong. But where is Thomas in the 1841 census? Is he actually the Alexander who is 14 with this family? ( I found what I thought might be an interesting death for an Alexander BURNSIDE in Muirkirk (not many Burnsides in Muirkirk) but he is the son of Peter BUrnside and Margaret Webster.)

I can't find Alexander and Margaret in the 1851 maybe they died. My head is going round in circles and I can't concentrate on anything cause I'm sure there's something I'm missing. Does anyone have any suggestions of what I could try before I go through all of my crds?

Karen

karenmcc · Post by **karenmcc** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:36 am

Hi All,

Have found Peter in the 1861 Census in Glasgow. He is Unmarried, 28 and a Shoemaker. Also in the house is Mary GRAHAM 35, Unmarried servant? and his son Alexander whose age I can't make out but it is a single number.

Can't find him in the 1851, there are only three Peter BURNSIDES in the whole of scotland so I tried the 28 year old just in case there was a mistake with his age but This isn't him. Also can't find Samuel in either 1851 or 1861.

Where are they?

Karen