Death cert 1856 address

[crayspond]

Hi to everyone at TS,

I am again looking at my McFarlane side of the family. Dougald committed suicide by jumping into the Clyde near Partick - he died Oct 15th 1856. He left his wife Margaret (nee Christie) with six kids. I could find no trace of any of the births of the children and have resigned myself to the fact they were not registered. She did not apply for poor relief - so no info there either.
She turns up in the 1861 census married to a John Stokes and after that they disappear. I am really going back over old ground and have noticed on Dougald death cert his address is very obscure it looks to me like Botanic Place - the district is Partick and they lived in Partick from 1841. Has anyone heard of this before? I don't think it is possible to upload the cert any more.

Thanks for reading this post.

Ailsa

[WilmaM]

The Botanic Gardens in Glasgow are around the Partick area - not sure where the boundary fell in the 1800's.

I can't spot a Botanic Place an my first glance at an old map - but I'll try and look further later on in the day.
Our snow is fast getting washed away in heavy rain - so I'll need to get to the supermarket while I can - currently have a JCB clearing the roads and pavements in the village - they even did up to our drive and that's not even on the main street =D>

You can't put the cert on TS at present, but if you use photobucket or similar you can paste the link.

[crayspond]

Hi Wilma,
It does sound pretty bad in Scotland - my mum is in Glasgow and as yet it is ok. I think it seems to be the further up North you go. Take care of yourself.
I have managed (with my son's help) to upload the certificate below link.
Also any ideas as to what occupation his father also Dugald had?


http://i50.tinypic.com/2qjddme.jpg

Thanks,

Ailsa

[WilmaM]

His father's occupation could be Wool Carder.

I've looked at my old Partick map, but can't find a 'place' that looks like the death cert. address.
The word Place is very clear, but I'm not 100% convinced that it's Botanic before it - could be but.....

I think I've spied then in 1841 on Freecen:
Thomsons Lane
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MCFARLANE Dougald M 20 Saw Sharper Outside Census County (1841)
CHRYSTIE Margt F 20 Outside Census County (1841)
MCFARLANE Isabella F 4 Outside Census County (1841)
MCGAW Margt F 2m Lanarkshire
LEIGHTON David M 30 Mason Outside Census County (1841)
HOWIE John M 35 Mason Outside Census County (1841)

but not in 1851 - do you have the address then?
that's a strange mix of surnames - who is baby McGraw?

I'll ponder some more

[crayspond]

Hi Wilma,

The 1851 census is a very bad copy and i had to apply SP to see it - it looks like 150 Dumbarton Road which would probably be Partick.
The Margaret McGaw is no relation to them i have been down this road!!

Ailsa

[Muriel]

Could the first letter be D - perhaps Downie or Dornie. Don't have an old enough map of Glasgow to check.

Muriel

[Russell]

Hi

I agree with Muriel that the first letter looks like a 'D' Compare it with the start of Dugald in column 3.
Although there is no 'Downie Place' on modern maps that whole area has been flattened and rebuilt over the years. The oldest buildings are probably from the start of the 1900's.

What a sad way to go though

Russell

[crayspond]

Hi again,
Yes it was a shame - i never really found out the reason why he committed suicide. Alan kindly discovered the notice in the Glasgow Herald but i never found out what it was about.

Glasgow Herald (Glasgow, Scotland), Friday, October 17, 1856
Melancholy Case of Suicide.—On Wednesday evening, about half-past five o'clock, a man named Dugald M'Farlane, a saw sharper to trade, and residing in Partick, committed suicide by leaping into the river about a mile below Partick. The act was observed by several labourers, who were at work in the vicinity, but before they could render any assistance, the unfortunate man had disappeared. The body was recovered in about ten minutes afterwards, but life was extinct. Deceased, who was in a desponding state of mind, consequent on the unsuccessful issue of a law case, has left a widow and six children, five of whom are unable to earn their livelihood.

There’s also an advert placed by Smith & Rodger, Middleton Iron Shipyard, Govan, in the Glasgow Herald, July 14, 1854, accusing a list of employees, including a Dugald McFarlane from 1st July, of deserting their employment. It warns other shipbuilders against employing them and there seems to be a threat of legal action if they do so. If this is your Dugald maybe it was a development of this that drove him to it.

Thanks all for looking,

Ailsa

[WilmaM]

Just by accident I found Downie Place in the area

http://www.nls.uk/maps/townplans/glasgo ... ewest.html

1857/8 map
section VI.5.18
at about the middle of the map you'll find Downie Place
at the corner of Jordonhill Street and Dumbarton Road

What is now the North West corner of Crow Road and Dumbarton Road, Comparing the old map with a modern aerial view and birds eye images on multimap
http://www.multimap.com/maps/?qs=dumbar ... |dumbarton road|Dumbarton Road (A814), Glasgow City, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, G13
I'd say the building is still there.

[Russell]

Hi Ailsa

I had a look at Smart A, "Villages of Glasgow" published by John Donald, 1988, and there is a direct reference to Downie Place.
"In 1844, when Messrs Wylie & Lochhhead began to run stage-coach to Glasgow.... for a fare of fourpence. Their stable was at the south-west corner of Crow Road, then called Jordanhill St, but it was moved to Whiteinch so that the tenements called Downie Place could be built on the site. The name was given in honour of two sisters, the Misses Downie, who became Mrs Wylie and Mrs Lochhead. Until recently the name could be seen on the building at first floor level."

Shold help locate it although WilmaM seems to have done so already while I was searching the pages.

Russell

P.S. If you are interested in how Glasgow developed and swallowed up the villages round about this is a great read.