Mystery - where is birth record

[SarahND]

Hi Ailsa,
So you don't think he was the one in NSW? Here is what I saw in 1871, the first one would be the right age and Crossgates is just outside of Dunfermline. But there are so many Beveridges in Fife!! I'm sure I don't have to tell you that

There is a John Beveridge age 33, born Crossgates, Fife, who is a Fireman on a vessel in E.D. Kinloch, Burntisland, Fife and what looks like the same person listed on E.D. Gerhardine in Burntisland.

There is also a John Bereridgo, age 43, a "Boatsteerer & Basltown" born in Kirkcaldy, Fife. He is also on two different vessels: Polynia and Arctic in Dundee.

Regards,
Sarah

[crayspond]

Hi Sarah,

The John Beveridge born in Crossgates Fife is the right one - he was born 14/04/1837 - Father George and Mother Margaret Drummond.
I don't think he is the NSW chap - it was a good match but he really would have been from Glasgow as the family moved to Glasgow c1843 as far as i know none of them returned to Fife to live. On saying that i don't have absolute proof that it isn't him

This one you found looks promising -John Beveridge age 33, born Crossgates, Fife, who is a Fireman on a vessel in E.D. Kinloch, Burntisland, Fife and what looks like the same person listed on E.D. Gerhardine in Burntisland.

The Seaman connection would explain why i can never find them! If you remember i found Thomas on the 1881 census on board the SS Dione
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10997&start=0&hilit=ss+dione
This could be getting interesting,

Ailsa

[crayspond]

Hi All.

Have found a John Beveridge on the 1881 age 42 census living in Burntisland occ steam vessel stocker born in Dunfermline along with the following family
Isabella wife 38 born Hawick Roxburghshire
Helen daughter 13 born Burntisland Fife
Jane " 11 " "
Alex son 4 " "

None of the children's names are familiar but i will do more searching.

Ailsa

[SarahND]

Hi Ailsa,
Wow, Ancestry really messed up that 1881 transcription… Jane and Alex are put with another family and two other Beveridges are attached to John's family instead. The household schedule numbers at least allow one to reconstruct the families…
So this looks like them in 1871:

1871
Back St N Side, Burntisland, Fife
John Beveridge, 33, Head, born Crossgates, Fifeshire, Steamboat Stoker
Elizabeth Beveridge, 28, Wife, born Hawick, Roxburgh
Ellen Beveridge, 3, Daughter, born Burntisland, Fife
Jane Beveridge, 1, Daughter, born Burntisland, Fife

Could this be him in 1841? Notice there is also a James in this family, the same age as your James Sorry, doesn't look like this is ending up to be your John, but there are so many Johns in the Dunfermline area that it's really anybody's guess which is the right one.

1841
Crossgates Danf Str, Dunfermline, Fife
John Beveridge, 50, born Fife, Coal M
Grace Beveridge, 40, born Scotland
Mary Beveridge, 14, born Fife
James Beveridge, 11, born Fife
John Beveridge, 2, born Fife

Just for fun, there's this guy. Don't ask me what he is supposed to be teaching:

1861
16 Wood St, Sorn Ayrshire
John Beveridge, 24, Head, born Dunfermline, Fifeshire, Teacher of Edwatron Onbrey Employ


Sarah

[crayspond]

Hi to All,

Sorry for the delay in responding - I have been searching for more clues about James Beveridge's whereabouts and death. Still no luck in finding him but I took SarahND's advice and continued to look for his children's marriages etc.
I found the marriage of George his son to Margaret Sinclair in 1872 where James is still alive and kicking and recorded as a Seaman Merchant Service.
Tonight i found his daughter Helen b.8/5/1853 married to *offical warning* Dick (I swear this is his name ) married 23/5/1875 and James is still alive at this time. His occupation is steamship stoker.
Also Margaret Beveridge is a witness - so i can look for a marriage for her next. It's a pity the steamship companies didn't keep records as it is looking likely that he died on a ship somewhere !

Ailsa

[crayspond]

Ahh - an official warning came up !

This is him on the census - i haven't looked at it yet as i only have 5 credits left and may want to download a cert.

1 1881 DICK EFFINHAM M 32 DWELLING: 62 RUMFORD ST BARONY, LANARK, SCOTLAND 644/01 055/00 004

His name is shortened on his marriage cert!

Ailsa

[Currie]

Hello Ailsa,

That marriage is on the IGI. I’ll space him out to confuse the censor.

HELLEN BEVERIDGE
Marriages:
Spouse: E F F I N D I C K
Marriage: 23 APR 1875 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.

I just put the above name into the free search at SP and as well as a marriage there’s an 1891 census entry.

Deaths on board British Merchant ships or on board foreign ships travelling to or from British Ports were supposed to be reported to the authorities and the information eventually passed on to the appropriate General Register Office. Unfortunately this procedure wasn’t always carried out correctly and sometimes the information got to the wrong GRO or to none at all. A death of a Scot should have reached GROS and be in the minor records but could have ended up in the English lot as did my Scottish Grandfather’s birth at sea in 1882. Marine deaths don’t contain very much information.

I think FMP has records for Marine deaths but I’m not sure if that covers crew.

All the best,
Alan

LATER.

There are Marine Deaths in “Great Britain Deaths and Burials, 1778-1988” index at FamilySearch. I’ve no idea how complete the coverage is supposed to be.
https://beta.familysearch.org/s/collect ... OVNk8%253D

Alan

[crayspond]

Hi Alan,

Thanks for the info - I tried the link https://beta.familysearch.org/s/collect ... OVNk8%253D Marine Deaths in “Great Britain Deaths and Burials, 1778-1988” but could not find any matches for James Beveridge.
I have the marriage cert and also the 1881 census details for the D I C K family - my next step is to look for a marriage in 1875 or later for James Beveridge's daughter Margaret who is a witness on Helen and *offical warning*'s marriage cert.
That will then state whether James is still alive and therefore narrow down the search for his death. I think that his death might help me find out the whereabouts of his brother John b.14/4/1837.
Keeps me busy - housework and dog can wait

Ailsa

[crayspond]

Hi All,

Quick update - as i had to walk dog and do some housework!!
Found Margaret Beveridge (cotton powerloom weaver) 21 married to James Houston 22 (coal miner) 31st December 1877 at 48 Rumford St Bridgeton Glasgow. Father James Beveridge Steamboat stoker mother Catherine Beveridge m.s Duncan.
So he was still alive at the very end of 1877. He has died between then and when the 1881 census was taken where Catherine is recorded as widowed. I think it was April when the 1881 census was taken.
I now will look at any remaining children who married after that.

Ailsa

[jaykim]

Hi

Dick is a nickname for Richard, don't ask me why