Mystery - where is birth record

[nelmit]

Hello Ailsa,

That marriage is on the IGI. I’ll space him out to confuse the censor.

HELLEN BEVERIDGE
Marriages:
Spouse: E F F I N D I C K
Marriage: 23 APR 1875 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.

I just put the above name into the free search at SP and as well as a marriage there’s an 1891 census entry.

All the best,
Alan.....snipped

- juvenile I know but that is priceless!!!!!

Regards,
Annette

[crayspond]

Hi Annette,

I couldn't believe it when i read it on the marriage cert! I wonder where the full name came from (beginning with E F) - i have never heard of it.
Was there anything on the 1891 census of any interest - i am conserving my credits for marriage and death certs which might have more info on James Beveridge's death.

Thanks,
Ailsa

[nelmit]

Hi Ailsa,

Here it is from Ancestry-

106 Adelphi St
Catharine Beveridge 64
Catharine Beveridge 24
E f f i n Dick 43 (had to use Alan's trick)
James Dick 13
Catharine Dick 9

Catherine Duncan/Beveridge is ringing a bell - have I ever looked for a poorhouse application for her?

Regards,
Annette

[AndrewP]

Hi Ailsa,

A look at the SP index shows Helen Dick (ms Beveridge) died in 1882. A search for Effin Dick gives four results. Three are infants who all died in Glasgow in the 1870s and 1880s, and they all shared the same middle name, presumably they were brothers. Effin Dick senior survived into the 1920s. With a name like that, you will find them easily on SP.

All the best,

AndrewP

[crayspond]

Hi,
Annette, that is interesting as Catherine Senior is James wife and is still alive in 1891 age 64 and Catherine jun is probably her daughter who was on the 1881 census at age 16 (wee fib i think).They must have pulled resources when Helen died and helped out E F F I N and the family.
AndrewP ,thanks for looking Helen up - i will try and not digress by looking at the D I C K family at the moment but keep it for further investigation.
I am thinking of looking at the English and Irish deaths for James Beveridge now i have narrowed the years down to between 1878 - 1881/2 . I will let you know if i have any luck.

Thanks again for the help,

Ailsa

[crayspond]

Hi All,

I missed these two out when i was looking at the census again -

12 1871 BEVERIDGE JAMES M 43 CAMBUSNETHAN /LANARK 628/00 006/00 027
13 1871 BEVERIDGE JAMES M 43 DALZIEL /LANARK 639/00 008/00 004

Can anyone have a peek and see if it looks like my missing James ?

Thanks,

Ailsa

[LesleyB]

Hi Ailsa

Unfortunately, there is no way for anyone to have a peek for free....we all have to pay the same amount for SP views.

Best wishes
Lesley

[crayspond]

Hi Lesley,

Fair point - I think I will have to give it a rest for a wee while as my brain and my purse are exhausted! I will send out a few hints for Xmas this year.

Ailsa

[Alan SHARP]

Greetings.

While in today's English venacular the above name raises an eyebrow, would any one care to comment on the language of the time - 150 years ago in Lanarkshire ?

Language (and connotation) is always evolving, and while American's may still be happy to call a child by names like F a n n y and R a n d y, no kid in Kiwi land would wear such names. I well remember some Dutch children who arrived in the 1950's who's names started with a (double) Aa spelling. The name did not translate well into our Kiwi English vernacular.

Alan SHARP.

[SarahND]

Language (and connotation) is always evolving, and while American's may still be happy to call a child by names like F a n n y and R a n d y, no kid in Kiwi land would wear such names.

Hi Alan,
The first name would not go over in America now either (although it was a popular name in the 19th century)... and while the second one is not used in the same way in the U.S., most of us have had enough contact with UK English to think twice!

As you say, language is continually evolving and often means something different depending on the age of the speaker. My specialty is sound change and although I could try to dredge up some good examples of semantic change from my memory of teaching Intro to Linguistics, I'll gladly leave it to the Scots to come up with some local examples for Lanarkshire

All the best,
Sarah