Help find James Moffat

[fortyseven]

Hello Trish,

Thank you kindly for finding the births for James Moffat & Janet Irving in Penninghame. I hadn't come accross them.

My G.G Grandfather, Joseph Moffat (James's brother) who was born in Annan and married a Catherine Johnstone,moved to Penninghame. So, I checked my information to see if Joseph & Catherine had a son John. They didn't so, this James & Janet with children John & Janet born in Penninghame could be the ones I am looking for.

Would explain why I have been unable to find them in Annan for 1841/1851.Now I need to find Janet Moffat's death and perhaps John's marriage and death.

James Moffat obviously came back to Annan and died there in 1857- in lodgings.

Thank you once again.

fortyseven

[fortyseven]

Hello AndrewP,

Thank you for the informaion and maps regarding Landheads. Very much appreciated.

fortyseven

[kenspeckle]

Some MOFFAT's in Pigots Dumfries 1825-1826 including Joseph a Clogmaker
http://users.quista.net/jameswilliams/D ... 26_H_M.htm

Gravestone Inscriptions including Annan
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ... tions.html?

Gravestone Images Dumfries
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ... /index.htm

Dumfries Historical Indexes
http://www.dgcommunity.net/historicalin ... fault.aspx


looking at your Moffat's
The Old Scottish Church Records disc has
parents
William Moffat & Christian Frazer
Andrew christening 9 Dec 1797 Annan Dumfries
parents
William Moffat & Christian Fraser
John Christening 19 Jun 1815 Dumfries Dumfries
Andrew Christening 17 Feb 1818 Dumfries Dumfries
no record of parents marriage


it does have James Moffat & Katherine/Catherine Dalgliesh
children all b Annan Dumfries
John 1763
Eliz 1765
Mary 1767
Agnes 1769
William1772
regards Lesley in Tasmania

[trish1]

Hi fortyseven

Nice to hear they are 'possibles" - given that you had previously found a connection to Penninghame. It seems there was some serious hiding, or bad transcriptions in the census records. The first John presumably died - perhaps there may be burials available for Penninghame?

wishing you success for finding the related deaths/marriages.

Trish

[fortyseven]

Hello kenspeckle,

Many thanks for the information.

My Joseph was a master plumber & gas fitter in Newton Stewart.

The James Moffat and Catherine Dalgleish were my GGGG Grandparents and William Moffat born 1772 was my GGG Grandfather. I now know his brothers and sisters names.

The only children I know of, that William Moffat and Christian Fraser had were: Andrew b. 1797 James b. 1798 and Joseph b. 1802

Regards

fortyseven

[fortyseven]

Hi Trish,

Yes, I thought perhaps the first John had died. I will have a look for his burial.

Regards,

fortyseven

[kenspeckle]

Hi fortyseven

there is a will or Inventory does not say which for Joseph Moffat 11 pages do you have that ? often other family names are mentioned only costs £5 to view on SP
MOFFAT JOSEPH 16/04/1872 PLUMBER IN NEWTON STEWART IN PARISH OF PENNINGHAME WIGTOWN SHERIFF COURT SC19/41/14

MOFFAT GEORGE CAMPBELL 14/02/1896 PLUMBER, NEWTON-STEWART, D. 23/11/1895 AT NEWTON-STEWART, TESTATE WIGTOWN SHERIFF COURT SC19/41/20 9 pages

there is also you will know if he is your family keep in mind that the date of the will/inventory may be before or after the death esp if intestate sometimes they have the date of death noted

MOFFAT WILLIAM 15/01/1851 BLACKSMITH AT ANNAN DUMFRIES SHERIFF COURT SC15/41/9 3 Pages

quite a few Moffat's in Kirk Sessions Dumfries
regards Lesley

[kenspeckle]

The London Family History Centre other LDS may have those films or be able to order in for you if you live near one be worth a look at to see if a gravestone for him reveals any more of family

http://www.londonfhc.org/content/catalo ... ,Annan&f=1

[kenspeckle]

I reckon the Andrew b 1797 died as a babe and the later one born in 1818 was renamed as possibly one of the parents most likely Christian had a father named Andrew going by Scottish naming patterns


a quick look at Scottish church records show a
Christian Fraser christening 17 Aug 1777 Dumfries,Dumfries father Andrew
other possible children
James Fraser 3 Nov 1771 Dumfries,Dumfries father Andrew
Mary Fraser 4 Apr 1773 Dumfries,Dumfries father Andrew
John Fraser 19 Nov 1775 Dumfries,Dumfries father Andrew

??? Andrew Fraser 31 Jan 1779 Dumfries,Dumfries father Andrew

an Andrew Fraser married a Jannet Gibson 14 Oct 1770 Dumfries,Dumfries


also worth looking at Gretna marriages my Dumfries folk were notorious border hoppers
http://www.achievements.co.uk/services/gretna/index.php

[fortyseven]

Hello Lesley,

I don't have any of the information you have found but, I will look into them.

The MOFFAT WILLIAM 15/01/1851 BLACKSMITH AT ANNAN DUMFRIES SHERIFF COURT SC15/41/9 3 Pages may be interesting and help establish wether it's my GGG Grandfather as, I don't have his death details or his wife Christian Moffat (nee Fraser)

May thanks.

Kind regards,

fortyseven