OPR marriage- what info would it show? .....

[kaz]

Hi all,
i am hoping some one can help me and answer a query for me.
If i ordered a marriage cert from 1831 what info other than the bride and groom would it contain?No image is available for the marriage on SP.

thanks
kaz

[AndrewP]

Most of the OPR marriage records make no mention of the parents. They are a record of the "calling of the banns". In most cases thay are made of one sentence only. Typically it might be something like: "John Smith and Anges Brown, both of this parish gave their names for marriage." This in itself is no proof that the marriage ever took place. A few then go on to say the marriage went ahead after the banns being proclaimed three times.

There are exceptions to this where the names of the parents are given, and sometimes the name of a house. But (sadly) these are a small minority.

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

[kaz]

Hi andrew,

thank you for the info.
looks like i will have to try another way to get the parents names.

thanks

kaz

[AndrewP]

Hi Kaz,

Your best plan is to track down the death certificates of the couple that married in 1831. Assuming that they survived until at least 1855 and that they died in Scotland, their death certificates should provide their parents' names.

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

[kaz]

Thanks for the advice andrew.I will give it a go, i will just cross my fingers that there are not too many john lawrie's in paisley on the death returns.

thanks again
kaz

[Jack]

Hi Kaz,

I'm presuming (never wise in family history...) that this is the marriage?

JOHN LAURIE
AGNES MACMILLAN
Marriage: 30 DEC 1831 High Church, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland

Do you know if John had any siblings?

Ta - Jack

[kaz]

Hi jack,

yes that is the marriage i was referring to.Unfortunatly i don't have any info on John Lawrie/laurie, i was sent his supposed parents from someone in the usa who is a relative but after talking with heather on here have found the info to be wrong.

thanks
kaz

[Andy]

If it's any help John and Agnes are not listed as deceased on the marriage cert of son John to Ellen/Helen Browning in 1863 but I can't see the parents in 1881 here's the son, John:

Dwelling: No 6 Buchanan Terrace
Census Place: Paisley Middle Church, Renfrew, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203582 GRO Ref Volume 573 EnumDist 43 Page 31
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John LAWRIE M 41 M Abbey Landward, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Salesman Woolen Manufactory
Ellen LAWRIE M 38 F Abbey Landward, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Mina LAWRIE U 16 F Abbey Landward, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Assistant At Home
John LAWRIE 12 M Abbey Landward, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Alexr. B. LAWRIE 10 M Abbey Landward, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Eller B. LAWRIE 4 F Abbey Landward, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Robert J. LAWRIE 4 M Abbey Landward, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Son
William A. LAWRIE 2 M Abbey Landward, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Son

[Andy]

Since John and Agnes were married in 1831 it's a safe bet that he was born before 1810. A search for John L*rie death Renfrewshire between 1863 and 1881 yields only two possibilities (I'd go for the 71 year old who died in 1880 - same IGI reference district as the census).

There is only one possible Agnes L*rie death, again in 1880

Now go get them!

[Jack]

Hi Kaz,

Were the wrong parents a James & a Mary? It's just that the Paisley censuses have these entries, and Glen & Moncrieff streets are very near one another.
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1841 - Glen St.
John LAWRIE 30, silk hlw
Agnes 30
James 8
Mary 6
John 1
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1851
John LAURIE 42
Agnes 40
Mary 16
John 11
Robert 6
Agnes 4
Jane 2
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1841 - 9 Moncrieff St.
James LAWRIE 53, cotton hlw
Mary 50
Jean 30
Mary 23
Agnes 17
James 15
William 13
Janet 10
Margaret 7
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I don't know where parents James & Mary were in 1851, but their first 6 children are all together as a family in 1851.
This looks like some of them in 1881.

1881 Census Place: Paisley Middle Church, Renfrew, Scotland
Dwelling: 10 Glen Street
Source: FHL Film 0203583 GRO Ref Volume 573 EnumDist 50 Page 12
Mary LAWRIE U 64 F Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Invalid
Agnes LAWRIE U 57 F Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Sister Occ: Thread Mill Worker
Janet LAWRIE U 50 F Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Sister Occ: Thread Mill Worker
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Jack