Hi Donna,
I was in the SGS Library this afternoon and looked at the OPR microfilms for your Wardrop(e)s in Ratho, Kirknewton & East Calder, and Mid Calder.
In date order...
Ratho OPR - 20th February 1807
ROBERT WARDROPE and MARGARET EMSLIE both of this parish gave up their names for proclamation in order to Marriage.
Given to the Poor one pounds Scotts.
Ratho OPRs
ALISON WARDROPE - born 02-Jul-1808, baptised 17-Jul-1808, witnesses: John Emslie and Peter Henderson
JANET WARDROPE - born 02-Jan-1810, baptised 21-Jan-1810, witnesses: John Emslie and William Gray
JOHN WARDROPE - born 16-Jan-1812, baptised 09-Feb-1812, witnesses: John Emslie and John Wardlaw
MARGARET WARDROPE - born 02-May-1814, baptised 29-May-1814, witnesses: John Emslie and James Simpson
JAMES WARDROPE - born 28-Oct-1816, baptised 24-Nov-1816, witnesses: John Dick and Joseph Smeal
ROBERT WARDROP - born 08-Apr-1820, baptised 14-May-1820, witnesses: the congregation
Are any of the witnesses' names meaningful to you?
Mid Calder OPR - 1833
This day July 20th ROBERT WARDROP in this Parish and ANN CHALMERS in the Parish of Kirknewton gave up their names in order to marriage and were married accordingly.
Kirknewton OPR - 4th August 1833
These certify that ROBERT WARDROP in the Parish of Mid Calder and ANN CHALMERS in this Parish were regularly proclaimed in order to marriage, and no objections offered.
Alex Shand, Session Clerk
Mid Calder OPRs
ANDREW WARDROP - born 29-May-1834, baptised 19-Jun-1834
WILLIAM WARDROPE - born 04-Aug-1835, baptised 04-Sep-1835
CHRISTINA WARDROPE - born 08-Dec-1836, baptised 27-Feb-1837
DAVID WARDROP - born 05-Dec-1838, baptised 04-Feb-1839
ANN WARDROPE - born 20-Feb-1841, baptised 17-Mar-1841
HELEN WARDROP - born 07-May-1843, baptised 08-Jun-1843
ISABELLA WARDROPE - born 14-Mar-1845, baptised 25-Apr-1845
ALEXANDER WARDROP - born 28-Jun-1847, baptised 10-Sep-1847
No sign of Jean of 1850/1851 in the OPR (see 1851 census list in Jean's post further up).
Robert Wardrope junior's family...
Mid Calder OPR, July 9th 1847
Roberrt Wardrop in this Parish and Elizabeth Melville in the Parish of West calder gave up their names for proclamation of banns in order to marriage - and were married.
Mid Calder OPRs
JANET WARDROP - born 22-Mar-1848
MARGARET EMELIA WARDROP - born 27-Aug-1849
ROBERT WARDROP - born 08-Apr-1852
Emelia is quite clearly Emelia and not Emslie as you had been hoping for.
And for all of the above, not a house name or address to be seen.
I checked the Mid Calder MIs in the book in the SGS Library. Like most MI books, it only covers inscriptions pre 1855, and later inscriptions on pre-1855 headstones. No sign of your Wardrop(e)s in the book. If they have a headstone (not always the case) then it is a post-1855 one rather than appended to an older one.
All the best,
AndrewP
Wardrop or Wardrope of Ratho, Midlothian then Mid Calder....
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Jockbird
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Andrew,
Thank you so very much for taking the time to look up all that information for me, that is so very kind of you. (this is where we need a Wee Star Emoticon)
Unfortunately none of the names for the witnesses mean anything, other than they are surnames which appear later on that side (Simpson & Henderson) but nothing I can tie to that time.
I've not gone down the Emslie side yet until I can know that I am looking at the right person in Margaret Emslie.
What a pity about Emelia not being the key word of Emslie. Ho hum.
I think the fact that Andrew called one of his children Margaret Emslie Wardrope indicates that there is a link from one family to the other and the fact I have Andrew, Robert Jnr & Robert Snr in Westfield House in 1841 and my Robert Jnr definitely there in 1851 are strong indicators BUT it's that missing link.
Would any of you claim them as yours in this situation? Or would you consign them to the 'hold fire/bear in mind bin'? I know I'm still very new to all of this and very green so I'm not sure where else I can go to get some concrete evidence of the link, rather than supposition.
Thank you again Andrew and to all of you that are taking the time to read my ramblings.
Best wishes
Donna
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Thank you so very much for taking the time to look up all that information for me, that is so very kind of you. (this is where we need a Wee Star Emoticon)
Unfortunately none of the names for the witnesses mean anything, other than they are surnames which appear later on that side (Simpson & Henderson) but nothing I can tie to that time.
I've not gone down the Emslie side yet until I can know that I am looking at the right person in Margaret Emslie.
What a pity about Emelia not being the key word of Emslie. Ho hum.
I think the fact that Andrew called one of his children Margaret Emslie Wardrope indicates that there is a link from one family to the other and the fact I have Andrew, Robert Jnr & Robert Snr in Westfield House in 1841 and my Robert Jnr definitely there in 1851 are strong indicators BUT it's that missing link.
Would any of you claim them as yours in this situation? Or would you consign them to the 'hold fire/bear in mind bin'? I know I'm still very new to all of this and very green so I'm not sure where else I can go to get some concrete evidence of the link, rather than supposition.
Thank you again Andrew and to all of you that are taking the time to read my ramblings.
Best wishes
Donna
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Jockbird
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Good evening,
It's been a while since I've had the time to look into my tree and I'm tying up some loose ends.
I'm still no further forward with this family, in fact I feel I've taken a couple of steps back.
Today I got the death certficate for Ann (Chalmers) Wardrop, who died at Bellsquarry (same as husband Robert above), however, the date of death is 21 March 1861, looks like (although very dodgy image) daughter Christina is the informant, but in an earlier post Jean Jeanie 'found' Ann with Alexander in the 1861 census. Now I've checked census dates and the 1861 census was taken on 7th April.
Could any kind soul check the address on the 1861 census for an Ann and Alexander Wardop living in West Calder, as above.
I'm really very confused and wonder if some fresh eyes to this could help.
Many thanks
Donna
It's been a while since I've had the time to look into my tree and I'm tying up some loose ends.
I'm still no further forward with this family, in fact I feel I've taken a couple of steps back.
Today I got the death certficate for Ann (Chalmers) Wardrop, who died at Bellsquarry (same as husband Robert above), however, the date of death is 21 March 1861, looks like (although very dodgy image) daughter Christina is the informant, but in an earlier post Jean Jeanie 'found' Ann with Alexander in the 1861 census. Now I've checked census dates and the 1861 census was taken on 7th April.
Could any kind soul check the address on the 1861 census for an Ann and Alexander Wardop living in West Calder, as above.
I'm really very confused and wonder if some fresh eyes to this could help.
Many thanks
Donna
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JustJean
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Are these the ones you mean???.
1861 Census
Name: Ann Wardrop
Age: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1794
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: West Calder, Edinburgh
Registration Number: 701
Registration district: West Calder
Civil parish: West Calder
County: Midlothian
Address: Parish Schoolhouse
Occupation: Loding House Keeper
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 41
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1861_133
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Wardrop 67
Alexander Wardrop 23
John Gowans 18
James Lind 19
Best wishes
Jean
1861 Census
Name: Ann Wardrop
Age: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1794
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: West Calder, Edinburgh
Registration Number: 701
Registration district: West Calder
Civil parish: West Calder
County: Midlothian
Address: Parish Schoolhouse
Occupation: Loding House Keeper
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 41
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1861_133
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Wardrop 67
Alexander Wardrop 23
John Gowans 18
James Lind 19
Best wishes
Jean
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I belive you are correct in that it's daughter Christina Wardrope as informant. She continues on living in Bellsquarry and married there in 1870...
1870 GRANT GRIGOR WARDROPE CHRISTINA MID CALDER /MIDLOTHIAN 694/00 0018
Are there two Ann Wardropws floating around??
This one is confusing to be sure!
Best wishes
Jean
1870 GRANT GRIGOR WARDROPE CHRISTINA MID CALDER /MIDLOTHIAN 694/00 0018
Are there two Ann Wardropws floating around??
This one is confusing to be sure!
Best wishes
Jean
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Hello Donna,
Here are a couple of newspaper items that may interest you.
Caledonian Mercury (Edinburgh), Monday, July 4, 1831
COMPACT ESTATES IN MID LOTHIAN, AND RESIDENCE WITHIN FIFTEEN MILES OF EDINBURGH, FOR SALE.
To be sold by public roup, within the Royal Exchange Coffeehouse, Edinburgh, on Wednesday the 6th day of July next, at two o’clock afternoon, if not previously disposed of by private bargain.
1. THE LANDS of WESTFIELD, in the natural possession of the proprietor, lying in the parish of Mid Calder, within fifteen miles of Edinburgh, three of Mid Calder, and two of West Calder, consisting of about 128 acres, with a Mansion-House fit for the accommodation of a large family, garden, and suitable offices.—
Upset price L.7500.
2. The LANDS of WESTER MURIESTON, consisting of Three Farms, with convenient Steadings for carrying on the Dairy System, and consisting of 184 acres, rented at L.300 and upwards. — Upset price L.8000.
These properties are contiguous, and will be sold together or separately.
For particulars apply to Messrs Youngs, Aytoun, and Rutherford, W.S.; or Thomas Bauchop, at Brucefield, by Mid Calder, who will show the plan and particulars, and treat for a sale by private bargain.
Robert Wardrop, overseer at Westfield, or George Falconer, at Canniehole, Wester Murieston, will show the grounds.
Glasgow Herald (Glasgow), Friday, September 23, 1853
DESIRABLE ESTATE IN MIDLOTHIAN.
UPSET PRICE REDUCED.
To be Sold, by Public Roup, within the Rooms of Messrs. Cay & Black, George Street, Edinburgh, upon Wednesday, 19th October next, betwixt the hours of 2 and 3 o'clock Afternoon,
THE LANDS and ESTATE of WESTFIELD and WESTER MURIESTON, lying in the Parish of Mid-Calder and Shire of Edinburgh.
The Property consists of 392 Acres imperial measure or thereby, of which from 60 to 70 Acres are under Wood of a considerable age. The remainder is Arable Land, and chiefly laid down in Grass. The whole Estate is compact, well laid out, and substantially inclosed, and there are Two good Farm Steadings, besides other Houses on the Property. The Lands are well adapted for dairy purposes, and are situated within three miles or the town of Mid-Calder, and about the distance of a mile from the Harburn Station of the Caledonian Railway, which affords the readiest access both from Edinburgh and Glasgow. There is abundance of Game on the Property, and Angling for Trout in the Almond and other streams in the neighbourhood.
The Mansion-House is commodious, in excellent repair, and is fit for the residence of a numerous family. The Coach-House, Offices, and Stables are complete, and were lately built in a most substantial manner. There is also a productive Garden and a Conservatory attached to the House.
The Lands of Westfield are held feu of a subject superior, and the Lands of Wester Murieston, affording the qualification of a Commission of Supply, are held of the Crown; both for the payment of illusory feu-duties, the entries being taxed, and the public burdens inconsiderable.
Farther particulars may be learned on application to Messrs. Rutherford & Herries, W.S., 16 Howe Street, Edinburgh; and Robert Wardrop, Overseer, at Westfield, will show the House and Grounds.
If you want copies of these items just send me a PM with an email address.
Westfield House http://www.casa.co.uk/view-details--209945--0.htm
All the best,
Alan
Here are a couple of newspaper items that may interest you.
Caledonian Mercury (Edinburgh), Monday, July 4, 1831
COMPACT ESTATES IN MID LOTHIAN, AND RESIDENCE WITHIN FIFTEEN MILES OF EDINBURGH, FOR SALE.
To be sold by public roup, within the Royal Exchange Coffeehouse, Edinburgh, on Wednesday the 6th day of July next, at two o’clock afternoon, if not previously disposed of by private bargain.
1. THE LANDS of WESTFIELD, in the natural possession of the proprietor, lying in the parish of Mid Calder, within fifteen miles of Edinburgh, three of Mid Calder, and two of West Calder, consisting of about 128 acres, with a Mansion-House fit for the accommodation of a large family, garden, and suitable offices.—
Upset price L.7500.
2. The LANDS of WESTER MURIESTON, consisting of Three Farms, with convenient Steadings for carrying on the Dairy System, and consisting of 184 acres, rented at L.300 and upwards. — Upset price L.8000.
These properties are contiguous, and will be sold together or separately.
For particulars apply to Messrs Youngs, Aytoun, and Rutherford, W.S.; or Thomas Bauchop, at Brucefield, by Mid Calder, who will show the plan and particulars, and treat for a sale by private bargain.
Robert Wardrop, overseer at Westfield, or George Falconer, at Canniehole, Wester Murieston, will show the grounds.
Glasgow Herald (Glasgow), Friday, September 23, 1853
DESIRABLE ESTATE IN MIDLOTHIAN.
UPSET PRICE REDUCED.
To be Sold, by Public Roup, within the Rooms of Messrs. Cay & Black, George Street, Edinburgh, upon Wednesday, 19th October next, betwixt the hours of 2 and 3 o'clock Afternoon,
THE LANDS and ESTATE of WESTFIELD and WESTER MURIESTON, lying in the Parish of Mid-Calder and Shire of Edinburgh.
The Property consists of 392 Acres imperial measure or thereby, of which from 60 to 70 Acres are under Wood of a considerable age. The remainder is Arable Land, and chiefly laid down in Grass. The whole Estate is compact, well laid out, and substantially inclosed, and there are Two good Farm Steadings, besides other Houses on the Property. The Lands are well adapted for dairy purposes, and are situated within three miles or the town of Mid-Calder, and about the distance of a mile from the Harburn Station of the Caledonian Railway, which affords the readiest access both from Edinburgh and Glasgow. There is abundance of Game on the Property, and Angling for Trout in the Almond and other streams in the neighbourhood.
The Mansion-House is commodious, in excellent repair, and is fit for the residence of a numerous family. The Coach-House, Offices, and Stables are complete, and were lately built in a most substantial manner. There is also a productive Garden and a Conservatory attached to the House.
The Lands of Westfield are held feu of a subject superior, and the Lands of Wester Murieston, affording the qualification of a Commission of Supply, are held of the Crown; both for the payment of illusory feu-duties, the entries being taxed, and the public burdens inconsiderable.
Farther particulars may be learned on application to Messrs. Rutherford & Herries, W.S., 16 Howe Street, Edinburgh; and Robert Wardrop, Overseer, at Westfield, will show the House and Grounds.
If you want copies of these items just send me a PM with an email address.
Westfield House http://www.casa.co.uk/view-details--209945--0.htm
All the best,
Alan
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Yes and Yes !JustJean wrote:I
Are there two Ann Wardrops floating around??
This one is confusing to be sure!
Jean
In 1851 there is an Ann Wardrop aged 54 with hubby John aged 62 a Chelsea Pensioner and son Alexander aged 13 . All born West Calder and still living there ( no address details on Ancestry ) . It looks like they were there were in 1841 too , with two more children.
So many Wardropes falling out of the closet !
Sally
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Jockbird
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Thank you Jean, Alan & Sally for your input.
I'm so sorry for abandoning post, current day life got in the way!
Excellent, looks like I have my correct Wardrope's now and thanks to some other info I've recently received it appears that I have the correct family re Robert Jnr & Snr.
Alan, thanks for that info and the link.....now to just find the small sum of £2.75 million and I can go and buy a bit of my history
Jean, as for Wardropes falling out of Wardrobes, you're spot on.....worse still often mislabelled as Wardrobes in census or other transcriptions......
Thanks again and all the best.
Donna
I'm so sorry for abandoning post, current day life got in the way!
Excellent, looks like I have my correct Wardrope's now and thanks to some other info I've recently received it appears that I have the correct family re Robert Jnr & Snr.
Alan, thanks for that info and the link.....now to just find the small sum of £2.75 million and I can go and buy a bit of my history
Jean, as for Wardropes falling out of Wardrobes, you're spot on.....worse still often mislabelled as Wardrobes in census or other transcriptions......
Thanks again and all the best.
Donna
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Re: Wardrop or Wardrope of Ratho, Midlothian then Mid Calder....
Hi all, My name is John Wardrope Douglas and I believe Christina Wardrope to be my great, great grandmother, she had a child to a John Douglas who we believe was sent in the military to India on discovery of the pregnancy. The son was registered as John Wardrope Douglas and was my great grandfather he was put to trade as a carpenter, married had a family which included my grandfather John Wardrope Douglas, he married in Paisley in Renfrew and fathered 9 children,of which my father was one, William Gilmore Douglas in 1922. I was born in Scunthorpe North Lincolnshire in 1951 and was named John Wardrope Douglas. We have traced the original John Wardrope Douglas to Westfield house in mid Calder where Christina Wardrope was employed.