has anyone had the same problem?

Susan · Post by **Susan** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:46 am

Susan

No answers yet - just lots more questions to try and get some more background info to work with.

Where and when was Helen/Ella's daughter married and what was her name?

Where and when was the daughter born - were there other children too?

Have you found a death for Robert Thomson ? If so where and when.

If you have any of the info above this would help try and establish a place and time scale for Helen/Ella's death.

Did Helen/Ella have any brothers or sisters do you know - if so what were their names and where were they born ?

It's also possible that her parents were not married and she may have been registered at birth with her mother's name. Perhaps either her father or mother as shown on her marriage certificate are actually a step parent. I have seen marriage and death certs where the father named is actually the step father - the mother having married someone else after the child was born and the child taking the step father's name. Also I have seen a couple of certs where the mother named is actually the step mother - the real mother having died whilst the person was quite young and they have grown up knowing only their step mum and named her on their cert.

Susan.

Post by **SarahND** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:33 am

Hi again,
Can't seem to let this one go...
I'm wondering who the Robert Millar, laundryman is who witnessed the marriage, since in 1901 Robert M Thomson is living with his grandfather Robert Millar and his uncle Robert Millar, both of whom give their occupations as "Golfer (professional)". Perhaps there wasn't enough money in golf and they had to turn to the laundry business!

Back to Loch Tummel as a place of residence: In 1891 there is a group of people working at the Loch Tummel Hotel in Blair Atholl, Perthshire. One of them is a domestic servant named May McLean age 22 born in Kingussie, Alvie. Since Ella was a waitress, I thought perhaps she might work in the Loch Tummel Hotel. Could May be her mother or other relative?

There is nobody obvious working there in 1901, but Ella may well have started work there after that date.

Sorry, no answers here, but lots more directions to run in!

Cheers,
Sarah

susieq · Post by **susieq** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:06 pm

Hi and once again thank you all for taking the time out to help!

I'll try and answer as many of your queries as possible.
Robert and Ella (Helen) had a daughter born in North Berwick, 1906 Joan Margaret Mc Vean Thomson, although by the time she got married in 1924 she had added in the Millar part as well, no mistaking her!

I found her brother Benjamin Millar Thomson born 1908 in Coatbridge or Old Monkland, Lanark.

I havn't been able to find Robert or Ella (Helens) death.

I am also not sure if Ella?Helen had any brothers or sisters, i feel a trip to NRH as there you are able to search for children by using the parents name, but on Scotlands people you can only search, by surname and year if you don't know the name of the child.

Sarah I'm going to follow your lead on the golf front! My husband is an avid (spelling) golfer, thats probably why i do this family tree stuff, to while away the hours while he is golfing! Hahaha!

Post by **SarahND** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:04 pm

susieq wrote: For Helens death obviously she had died by the time her daughter got married,

Did it say on the daughter's marriage certificate that both her parents were deceased by then?

Regards,
Sarah

susieq · Post by **susieq** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:30 am

Hi Sarah,

No only her mum was desceased, her father was still alive.

Susan.

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:46 am

Maybe there’s a space for this fellow in the soup somewhere. A professionally golfing Robert Millar from North Berwick http://www.northberwick.org.uk/clubmaker.html

ROBERT MILLAR (1898-1968)
Robert Millar, born in North Berwick in 1898 emigrated to the USA at the age of 23 years. Another member of Bass Rock Golf Club, he sailed from Liverpool on the S.S. Albania, arriving in New York on 26th March 1922. Millar stayed with his aunt Miss Barbara Rosie, 627 Sherddan Road, Winnetka, Illinois until he secured work. In 1924, Robert Millar was appointed professional at the newly opened nine-hole Gateway Municipal course in Kalamazoo, Michigan. The following year he became pro at Milham Park in Kalamazoo, where Jessie Owens was a member. Millar remained there until he retired in 1962. His father John B Millar (fisherman) lived at 10 Victoria Road, North Berwick. Robert Millar died January 1968 in Kalamazoo.

Alan

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:57 am

This couple fit the bill but a search for a female birth 1882 in the area brings nothing.

John MC VEAN Head M Male 40 Scotland Stone Mason Unempd
Margaret MC VEAN Wife M Female 44 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Robert MC VEAN Son U Male 14 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Scholar
Archibald MC VEAN Son Male 11 Bolton, Lancashire, England Scholar
Margaret MC VEAN Daur Female 9 Bolton, Lancashire, England Scholar
Alexander MC VEAN Son Male 5 Bolton, Lancashire, England Scholar

By 1891 Robert is married, Archibald is in the army and I think I found Margaret living at an industrial school. The only likely Alexander is living at Argyll.

Regards,
Annette

Post by **SarahND** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:58 am

Hi Alan,
Sounds like too much of a coincidence to be unrelated, doesn't it? That Robert Millar looks like the son of John and Jessie Millar in 1901, although they weren't yet at 10 Victoria Rd. There is even a member of the Rosie family in the household.

1901
No 4 Forth St Lane, North Berwick, East Lothian
John Millar, 31, Head, born No Berwick, Haddingtonshire, Fisherman
Jessie Millar, 28, Wife, born Wick, Caithnessshire
Jemima Millar, 4, Daur, born No Berwick, Haddingtonshire, Scholar
Robert Millar, 2, Son, born No Berwick, Haddingtonshire
Margaret Millar, 1, Daur, born No Berwick, Haddingtonshire
Dwilina Rosie, 21, Visitor, born Wick, Caithnessshire, General Servt

Sure enough, there is John 10 years before (on Victoria Rd), the son in the family of Robert and Margaret, and wee Robert Thomson is already living with them

1891
13 Victoria Rd, North Berwick, East Lothian
Robert Millar, 52, Head, born No Berwick, Haddington, Fisherman
Margaret Millar, 53, Wife, born No Berwick, Haddington, Fisherman's Wife
John Millar, 22, Son, born No Berwick, Haddington, Fisherman
Benjamin Millar, 18, Son, born No Berwick, Haddington, Fisherman
Robert Millar, 15, Son, born No Berwick, Haddington, Baker
Susan Millar, 12, Daur, born No Berwick, Haddington, Scholar
Robert Thomson, 5, Gr Son, born No Berwick, Haddington, Scholar

Susieq, your husband will be so pleased to be related to all these professional golfers! It will justify more time on the links, which means you will be spending more time with us on TS

Mary, the mother of Robert Thomson, only appears in one census with the Millars: she is 9 years old in 1871.

All the best,
Sarah

susieq · Post by **susieq** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:30 pm

Oh my goodness, thank-you all so much!!!!
I think i looked so much that i could'nt see the wood for the trees!
So to speak!
So much more to go on with now, it will fill the hours while hubby practices! Ha! Unfortunatley he's not a pro!

Susan x