Census Lookup Please

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:35 am

Hi Raymond,

The spelling of the name varies between Gemmell, Gammell, Gemmill, Gammill, all of those with one L, all of those with one M, all of those with one M AND one L, and even the name Gamble and its variants.

The spelling depended on who was doing the writing. Different registry clerks would spell the name in various ways, and often our ancestors either didn't read or write and so it wasn't corrected, or they didn't speak up.

Now, where's the grandfather's marriage details so I can see what comes up? We ideally need you to tell us his parents' names, his and his father's occupation, his bride's name and her parents' names, her father's occupation. Oh and of course, ages and addresses! From this we can hunt down a lot of information.

Nina

RAYMOND · Post by **RAYMOND** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:36 am

Hi Nina,
My Grandfathers Marriage Cert..James Gemmell..Annie South.

Date of Marriage 22/07/1905 at Salford.
James age 20 ...6 Herriet St. Salford. Father John Gemmell a Tailor.
Annie South.age 20 ...10 Herriet St. Salford. Father Richard South a Labourer.

James was in the Lancashire Fusiliers and killed in action on the 20/10/1914..his No was 9050..his record show he was born in Ayr.

Raymond

RAYMOND · Post by **RAYMOND** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:40 pm

Marriage Cert..Daniel Gemmell...Emily Campbell..
29th Sep 1914 at Salford
Daniel age 32 a labourer 8 Devine St Salford Father John Gemmell a Tailor
Emily age 30 a warehouse worker 8 Devine St Salford Father James Campbell (deceased)

Daniel was also in the Lancashire Fusiliers No 7361 k.i.a. 11/08/1918

Raymond

RAYMOND · Post by **RAYMOND** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:59 pm

I am also waiting for info on Henry Gemmell and John Gemmell...both in the Lancashire Fusiliers..there may be a link to our family...

Henry Gemmell...No 10823
John Gemmell.....No 27550.K.I.A. 01/07/1916

Raymond.

David Lang · Post by **David Lang** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:08 pm

I have Gemmell's from Johnstone , near Paisley, unfortunately none of mine connect to Lancashire or to Dundonald.

Although i have Brown's from Dundonald who mary into Gemmells by way of a family of Stewarts!!!

Raymond do you have the medal cards for WW1 for all the Gemmell's they may give you extra information

RAYMOND · Post by **RAYMOND** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:37 pm

Hi Dave,
Thanks for your reply.....I have the medal cards for...
James Gemmell (my grandfather) K.I.A. 20/10/1914
Daniel Gemmell (his brother)Died of wounds 11/08/1918
Henry Gemmell (brother i think) Waiting on word from the Fusiliers.

Births in Ayrshire between 1883-1886.
Ardrossan 1883 James Stevens Gemmell.
Stewarton 1885 James Gemmell.
Ayr 1886 James William Gemmell.

Irvine Ayrshire-19th Feb 1885 James Gemmell....
Father John Gemmell (a tailor journeyman)
Mother Mary Gemmell nee Coghill.
This was the only James Gemmell with any connection with Lancashire.

The Daniel Gemmell marriage in Salford seems to confirm that the three brothers stayed in Lancashire.

John and Mary after 1891 is a mystery ..

Raymond.

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:13 pm

Hi Raymond,

Do you have a name for your grandfather's mother?

Nina

RAYMOND · Post by **RAYMOND** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:30 pm

Hi Nina,
All i had was the Father John...I thought it may be Mary Coghill but hope that the Fusiliers may find something.

Raymond.

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:55 pm

Is this the family in the English 1891 at Cheetham, Manchester Lancashire?

John Gemmell, Head, 30, Tailor, born Scotland
Mary Gemmell, Wife, 28, -, Scotland
Daniel Gemmell, Son, 9, Scholar, Scotland
James Gemmell, Son, 6, Scholar, Scotland
Henry, Son, 2, -, Scotland

If so, we can see that the family had possibly only moved to England within the past two or so years, as Henry was born in Scotland. Finding them before or after this date is proving difficult!

To be sure of his mother's surname you need to get one of the children's birth registrations.

Nina

RAYMOND · Post by **RAYMOND** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:20 pm

Hi Nina,
I have not seen this before but it looks what i have been looking for as i feel that the father John and three sons enlisted in the Fusiliers...My nephew in Salford is going to the Manchester Reg. office this week so i will ask him to look into the sons Registrations and see what he can find.

Raymond