1851 / 1861 census Elgin / Rathven .....

Post by **Tracey** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:32 pm

WOW

Will reply shortly as to whats confused me - will look over the question again

Huge Huge thanks

Tracey

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:39 pm

Heather

Is it possible for you to post here and/or email me your understanding in your locality of the extant poor relief records where there are inspectors' reports?

It's an area of particular interest to me, and while I'm well up on what exists in the West of Scotland, I hadn't previously heard of such records up your way.

As far as I'm aware the poorhouses in the whole general were Rathven (Parish Hospital) for Banffshire, Latheron Combination & Thurso Combination for Caithness, Inverness, Long Island Combination, Skye Combination, Morayshire Combination in Elgin, Black Isle Combination (Fortrose), Easter Ross Combination (Tain), & Lewis Combination

David

angel · Post by **angel** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:54 pm

Hi David

We only have poor relief records here but some of them are missing but we have most of them. These records are all on microfilm and are held at the Heritage Centre which at present is housed in Elgin Library.

Hope that helps if note then let me know.

Heather

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 5:25 pm

angel wrote:Hi David

We only have poor relief records here but some of them are missing but we have most of them. These records are all on microfilm and are held at the Heritage Centre which at present is housed in Elgin Library.

Hope that helps if note then let me know.

Heather

And that's for the Banffshire Combination in Rathven ?.......

David

Post by **Tracey** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:30 pm

Hi Heather

This is the other William Donaldson NM036621 (says married to Mary Shand) that confused me as the details are very similar to my William. My William NM248605 (married to Mary Shaw) died 4th October 1874 at 55 High Street Elgin (and also c1860 lived at 145 High St Elgin)- although this isnt stated on his biography details on Moray. There is a poor relief reference on the bottom of this, i dont know if they are the ones you sent me. But can you see what i mean ? It looks like there has been a mix up between them or just the wifes name of Shand being a typo resulting in two different entries ?.

Sorry for the confusion

BIOGRAPHY DETAILS
NM036621 ..................My William is NM248605
WILLIAM DONALDSON

Surname: DONALDSON
Maiden Name:
Forename(s): WILLIAM
Occupation: CONTRACTOR
Date of Birth: c. 1818
Place of Birth: PORTKNOCKIE
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Biography: LIVED AT 145 HIGH STREET ELGIN - so did mine William NM248605 re sons births 1860 & 63
Spouse's Name: MARY SHAND - mine Mary Shaw
Date of Marriage:
Place of Marriage:
Married by:
Marriage Narrative: FATHER OF ELIZABETH & JAMES & MARGARET & PETER & ALEXANDER - same + William, George (poor relief records) John
Date of Death: 04 OCT 1874 - same as mine William NM248605 but not stated on his biography details
Age: 56
Headstone Reference:
Place of Death: 55 HIGH STREET ELGIN - also same William NM248605 but isnt stated on his biography details
Miscellaneous
1863 application for poor relief to parish of Elgin - MF D EL3 [GRC archives - ZPEL A5/5 p132] I think these are the ones you just sent me so..are they the same person do you think ?

angel · Post by **angel** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:59 pm

Hi Tracey

Can you give me the details of Jane's death again I can remember the paers but not the dates.

Found this on familysearch

Marriage: William Donaldson and Mary Shaw 03 September 1844 Kilmallie Argyll.

I will be in the library next wednesday so put your tequests in for then as I will have time to do research.

Heather

angel · Post by **angel** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:03 pm

Hi David

If you go to http://libindx.moray.gov.uk you will find out all the aera's that we have on film for the poor relief.

Heather

Post by **Tracey** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:40 pm

Hello Heather

Dont you mean Mary,s death ? i will give you both just in case........

Jane Donaldson (Miss Hartley) 1st January 1899 at 19 East Church St Buckie
Mary Donaldson (Miss Shaw) 7th November 1884 at 214 High St Elgin

Thanks

angel · Post by **angel** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:17 pm

Hi Tracey

I have looked the whole of the 1851 cencus and can't find them could they be somewhere else?

Death Notice - Elgin Courant 6 January 1899

Donaldson-At 19 East Street, Buckie on the 1st inst, Jane Hartley, relict of William Donaldson, Journalist [sometime in Keith and Elgin], aged 64 years.

I will be in Elgin next Tuesday let me know if you need anything.

Heather

Post by **Tracey** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:53 pm

Hello Heather.

Ive tried to pinpoint via childrens births where they could have been in 1851. The closest i have is Elizabeth who was born according to the poor relief records anytime between 1850 - 1856 ( and because of the varied years its been a nightmare financially on S/P ! ) her death puts her birth year at 1857 and census puts it at 1854. I have found no evidence of more than one Elizabeth born to them so far. But either way her birth place is Rathven as were half the others and the other half Elgin. before this it was my gtx2 in 1847. There is a big gap in birth years so this is the best i can do unfortunaltely.
The census is all i can think of right now unless there are birth records there that that i cant find on S/P not knowing exactly when or where or on the IGI but am too embarrased to ask as you have done so much already. But looks like i just did

My family came up to Elgin on Wednesday and Margaret was a great help to them and thanks to your information sent they were able to find things quite easily and had some of the poor relief and the 1861 census printed for me.

As always i am very greatful for your kind offer but really only if you can and dont go out of your way im in no rush

Thank you

Tracey

I hope this makes sence as i have had a lot of distractions whilst writing this