Bishoptown, Renfrewshire .....

[nancy]

Hi Cat, I must have missed your post earlier today.I got info from Abbey Parish Census 1841. James,occupation-labourer,Peter,the same.ID,numbers,from James down to Hugh,are all in rotation,but Rosie and her number's not there.Maybe someone else on here can help you with that.You might get whereabouts in Ireland,by checking poorhouse records in Paisley. Like you i'm stuck with quite a few rellies,when i try to get back to Ireland. Cheers Nancy.

[Jack]

Hi Nancy,

The 1841 Abbey index i have has the family as GALLACHER, but 9yr old Rosy is as GALLACHET (ending in a T).
Maybe that's the cause of the confusion.

Jack

[nancy]

Yep Jack,you're right I thought maybe she could have been in hospital or something at the time.Address still Cotton St,and corresponding ID number. However did you come across it?You clever man you Cheers Nancy

[Jack]

Hi Nancy,

No clever at all - Rosy was listed just below Hugh

Jack
ps, the indexes don't always have names listed together by family or household,
and i find it's always best to look at the original page as errors can creep in with any transcription.

[catbug]

Thanks for yet more info, Nancy and Jack, I really appreciate it ! I'll have to try and get my hands on more census entries for them - can't wait until the 1861 comes out on Scotland's People. Hopefully Hugh will still be living with his parents then as he didn't marry until 2 years later - I might be lucky and find which county they are from, who knows.

Thanks yet again!

Cat

[Jack]

Hi Cat,

Your family appear to be in Glasgow 1851, with Phillip now as Felix.
Still there in 1861; Felix 30, Rosanah 27, John 16 (b Paisley) and looks like mother Mary 52 is with them, but no father John.
Unfortunately it only says born Ireland.
But i can't see a really suitable Hugh in Glasgow - what was his address when he married in 1863?
I could check it in 1861 on the off-chance he was there before he married.

Jack

[catbug]

Hi again Jack,

Thank you so much for that - I didn't expect anyone to go to so much trouble so it is very kind of you . It's a shame it only says born in Ireland but I wasn't holding out much hope really as I have other Irish ancestors and don't know where they're from either! But as Nancy said Poorhouse records might have more info but I don't have his parent's DCs yet to check if they died in one or anything (I have a horrible feeling they both died outwith Scotland ). In 1863 Hugh's address is given as 76 King Street, Glasgow where he lived with his future wife Mary Findlay. By this time his mother has died but his father is still alive. Don't worry if you can't find Hugh - I wouldn't want you to go to too much trouble and I've had a lot of help from everyone already, which I really appreciate. Hope I can repay the favour sometime !

Cat

[catbug]

Hi again,

I found what I think is Mary Gallacher's DC today (under Gallocher and indexed as age unrecorded which is why it has taken me so long to find it) as it's the only one I can see as a possibility. However, if it is her she died in 1859 which would mean the family above from the 1861 census isn't my family, or at least the Mary on it isn't their mother. As I said, I'm not completely sure it's her but her maiden name is O'Hara and it is witnessed by James Gallacher, husband who is described as a general dealer (on other documents he is a hawker, which I took to mean the same thing) and she also died in Glasgow. I wondered if anyone could give me their opinion based on that information? Still can't find James' DC though - grrrr !

Thanks ,

Cat

[Jack]

Hi Cat,
My deepest apologies - seems i've misled you. On the 1851 census i looked at the father was JOHN not James....
I'd been searching on Phillip "GALLACHER", but no luck, then onto Rose.
The reason being that they'd be easier to find than James or Mary because of the many surname variations.
The children in 1851 looked to fit those on the 1841 census, and i hadn't noticed father was as John
And i'd just thought Phillip had become a Felix.... stranger things happen!
Well now; after all my poor excuses, i can't find another family in Glasgow to fit
So maybe it'll have to be a wait for the 1861 census to come online, but i'll check the 1851 in case there's been an indexing error.
--
1841
James GALLOCHER 45 b Ireland
Mary 30
Peter 15
Phillip12
Rosy 9
Hanna 7
Hugh 3 RFW
--
1851
John GALLAGHER 60
Mary 45
Felix 21
Rose 19
Hannah 17
Hugh 14
John 7
--
1861
Mary GALLACHER 52 - all b Ireland except John
Felix 30
Rosannah 27
John 16 - b Paisley
--
What is the address on Mary's 1859 DC? and her age?
Do you know what happened to the children? did any others marry?

Ta - Jack

[catbug]

Hi Jack,

Don't worry about the wrong info - I appreciate all your time and help regardless . The names James and John seem to be easily mixed up though as while I was looking for James' DC one that I paid for had been misindexed as John. Annoying as I'm having enough trouble finding him already, ! It's a possibility that the 1851 has been misindexed as all the other names and ages fit and in 1861 Mary could perhaps be an auntie or something, who knows. Unless I have got the wrong DC for her which would mean it is actually the right Mary on the census. On the DC I have it has her age as 44, which I thought was strange, but ages hardly ever seem to be spot on in my family tree. Also, it's possible it could have been mistranscribed if James had a strong accent or something. Her address is given as 59 New Vennel (?), Glasgow and it also has her burial details as Dalbeth Cemetery. I haven't got round to getting any details about the other children yet as I've been concentrating on the direct line but hope to do so soon. I had a quick look for Philip/Felix (as his name is more unusual) on the 1881 census as I had a few credits left but nothing suitable came up. On goes the search .

Cheers,
Cat