No sign of Daniel, Alexander or Janet in the Ellis Island site.
So either Canada(but nothing after quick search) or Australia.
Alexander McNicol
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Alcluith
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LesleyB
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Hi Drew
re. Janet - the obvious caindidates on SP are not her, but there are too many pages of Janets to choose from if you take into account an error in transcripition at some point which may be the problem e.g. 88 being seen as 38 or some other blip which may have caused her not to appear in the index as expected. Its down on my list for a NRH visit - check ALL the Janets! (it will be cheaper that way too) ...And find her in the 1861, just in case there are any clues. There are only so many records you can click on "just to check" when you know deep down they are not going to be the right ones....
I've checked Alexander McNicol for the whole of UK now in 1881 but all the ones born in Glasgow are either in Lanark or Renfrew, so the Lowland disc had them all covered anyway! No young AB seamen to be seen.
Checked US death index again - nothing for Daniel or Alexander. Thanks for checking Ellis Island - I have done this in the past but sometimes you miss stuff. I was under the impression that Ellis Island was not the only way "in" to USA, so I'm not going to discount USA yet. Nor am I discounting West Indies, Singapore or India (all places other young men in my tree have ended up around this time...) or indeed South Africa or anywhere else I've not thought of yet! Two young men aged 21 & 24 both with money in their pockets - could be anywhere....
Perhaps you might be able to tell me: at the Mitchell – do Valuation Roll books & voting registers need to be ordered several days in advance as they do at NAS?
...and thanks for sticking with this one - its not a hugely rewarding project, I know - the answers are not just sitting there. Sometimes I feel like I'll never find them - but the truth is out there somewhere!!
Best wishes
Lesley
re. Janet - the obvious caindidates on SP are not her, but there are too many pages of Janets to choose from if you take into account an error in transcripition at some point which may be the problem e.g. 88 being seen as 38 or some other blip which may have caused her not to appear in the index as expected. Its down on my list for a NRH visit - check ALL the Janets! (it will be cheaper that way too) ...And find her in the 1861, just in case there are any clues. There are only so many records you can click on "just to check" when you know deep down they are not going to be the right ones....
I've checked Alexander McNicol for the whole of UK now in 1881 but all the ones born in Glasgow are either in Lanark or Renfrew, so the Lowland disc had them all covered anyway! No young AB seamen to be seen.
Checked US death index again - nothing for Daniel or Alexander. Thanks for checking Ellis Island - I have done this in the past but sometimes you miss stuff. I was under the impression that Ellis Island was not the only way "in" to USA, so I'm not going to discount USA yet. Nor am I discounting West Indies, Singapore or India (all places other young men in my tree have ended up around this time...) or indeed South Africa or anywhere else I've not thought of yet! Two young men aged 21 & 24 both with money in their pockets - could be anywhere....
James McNicol married in Edinburgh on 16th April 1890. He was 31, she was 19. He was a house factor as early as 1883-4 in the Valuation Roll so clearly had business responsibilities. I have no idea how long he knew Annie Isabella Dick prior to their marriage and I have no idea how/where they met given that he lived & worked in Glasgow and she grew up in Edinburgh. No family stories on that one either.I still have the feeling that they moved abroad but why not James unless there was a young lady in his life - when did he marry?
Perhaps you might be able to tell me: at the Mitchell – do Valuation Roll books & voting registers need to be ordered several days in advance as they do at NAS?
...and thanks for sticking with this one - its not a hugely rewarding project, I know - the answers are not just sitting there. Sometimes I feel like I'll never find them - but the truth is out there somewhere!!
Best wishes
Lesley
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Lesley,
Having spent some time reflecting on the missing Daniel, Alexander and Janet and the fact that there was a large sum of money involved and these three disappear leaving James, who does quite well for himself, do you see where I am coming from yet????
Anyway you need to contact AnnM, she won't help with the research but I bet she could come up with a really good story
To answer your question on the Mitchell you do not need to order in advance but you do need to be patient especially if they are busy. really they are all very helpful.
Having spent some time reflecting on the missing Daniel, Alexander and Janet and the fact that there was a large sum of money involved and these three disappear leaving James, who does quite well for himself, do you see where I am coming from yet????
Anyway you need to contact AnnM, she won't help with the research but I bet she could come up with a really good story
To answer your question on the Mitchell you do not need to order in advance but you do need to be patient especially if they are busy. really they are all very helpful.
Burns, Quinn - Glasgow, N.Ireland
McLeod, Mackay, Nicholson, McNeil - Skye
James, McLeod, Sinclair, Smith - Renton
Davidson, Adie, Gibb - Aberdeen
Jolly, Wishart - Angus
Usher - Newcastle
Mullen, Roe - Dublin
O'Donnell - Ireland, Alexandria
McLeod, Mackay, Nicholson, McNeil - Skye
James, McLeod, Sinclair, Smith - Renton
Davidson, Adie, Gibb - Aberdeen
Jolly, Wishart - Angus
Usher - Newcastle
Mullen, Roe - Dublin
O'Donnell - Ireland, Alexandria
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Hi Lesley,
I too had a 'lost' relative born about the same time as Alexander, who I had searched high and low for. In desperation I went onto www.naa.gov.au/ and did a search on his name.
To cut a long story short, I found his son's 1st World War records, he had the same name as his father, but he was also down as next of kin to two nephews.
I don't want to get your hopes up here as it may be nothing to do with your Alexander, but I did a Record Search for Alexander McNicol and there were 13 returned, two of which he is down as next of kin to a William Nicol McNicol and a James Francis McNicol. It may be worth checking them out.
I don't know if you've used the site before but you can request a digital copy (they don't charge for that) but you need patience as it takes about four weeks before they come online, and it's very tempting to check every day just in case they've rushed yours through
I really hope this may turn something up for you,
Kind regards,
Alison
I too had a 'lost' relative born about the same time as Alexander, who I had searched high and low for. In desperation I went onto www.naa.gov.au/ and did a search on his name.
To cut a long story short, I found his son's 1st World War records, he had the same name as his father, but he was also down as next of kin to two nephews.
I don't want to get your hopes up here as it may be nothing to do with your Alexander, but I did a Record Search for Alexander McNicol and there were 13 returned, two of which he is down as next of kin to a William Nicol McNicol and a James Francis McNicol. It may be worth checking them out.
I don't know if you've used the site before but you can request a digital copy (they don't charge for that) but you need patience as it takes about four weeks before they come online, and it's very tempting to check every day just in case they've rushed yours through
I really hope this may turn something up for you,
Kind regards,
Alison
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LesleyB
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Drew - 
Are you suggesting we should be checking the cellar of that villa in Bearsden????
Thanks for the info on the drill with VRs at the Mitchell.
Hmm, yes, I've spend a lot of time reflecting on Daniel, Alexander and auntie Janet too. I feel it does have to be something to do with the money - it seems too much of a coincidence that it all seems to go askew in 1885... I'm awaiting the disposition in the post for the purchase of the Bearsden residence in 1896 which should [-o< give a previous address. Might be something to work with or give some clues or (who knows?) answers...
Alison - Thanks for that suggestion - good thinking. I had look at the site and requested a digital copy of the record for James Francis McNicol, whose father is an Alexander. I'm not sure what to expect, but nothing ventured... have you reached the point where you have seen one of these records yet?
I note there is also an Alexander in Melbourne, a munitions worker. Its a great pity they don't give any indication of ages in these record summaries. Thanks very much for that.
best wishes
Lesley
Are you suggesting we should be checking the cellar of that villa in Bearsden????Thanks for the info on the drill with VRs at the Mitchell.
Hmm, yes, I've spend a lot of time reflecting on Daniel, Alexander and auntie Janet too. I feel it does have to be something to do with the money - it seems too much of a coincidence that it all seems to go askew in 1885... I'm awaiting the disposition in the post for the purchase of the Bearsden residence in 1896 which should [-o< give a previous address. Might be something to work with or give some clues or (who knows?) answers...
Alison - Thanks for that suggestion - good thinking. I had look at the site and requested a digital copy of the record for James Francis McNicol, whose father is an Alexander. I'm not sure what to expect, but nothing ventured... have you reached the point where you have seen one of these records yet?
I note there is also an Alexander in Melbourne, a munitions worker. Its a great pity they don't give any indication of ages in these record summaries. Thanks very much for that.
best wishes
Lesley
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Hi Lesley,
I've actually seen three of them, Robert's son's and his two nephews. They are a comprehensive record of their war from signing up to their discharge or in the case of one of them, his death. This includes a note of when 3 photos of his grave were sent to his uncle, a note where buried and a letter asking where his medals should be sent.
If it hadn't been for the nephews I couldn't have known it was 'my'
Robert Finnick, but their records showed that they had been born in Glasgow, so I did a search on SP and discovered Robert's sister was their step-mother.
I'm not sure where this will take you, if anywhere, but do you think it's worth requesting a digital copy of the munitions worker in Melbourne as well. Or, what about doing a search for Daniel or Janet? This may all be a totally bum (am I allowed to say that) steer but as you said, nothing ventured...............and it's easier than digging up the grounds of the villa in Bearsden
Kind regards,
Alison
I've actually seen three of them, Robert's son's and his two nephews. They are a comprehensive record of their war from signing up to their discharge or in the case of one of them, his death. This includes a note of when 3 photos of his grave were sent to his uncle, a note where buried and a letter asking where his medals should be sent.
If it hadn't been for the nephews I couldn't have known it was 'my'
Robert Finnick, but their records showed that they had been born in Glasgow, so I did a search on SP and discovered Robert's sister was their step-mother.
I'm not sure where this will take you, if anywhere, but do you think it's worth requesting a digital copy of the munitions worker in Melbourne as well. Or, what about doing a search for Daniel or Janet? This may all be a totally bum (am I allowed to say that) steer but as you said, nothing ventured...............and it's easier than digging up the grounds of the villa in Bearsden
Kind regards,
Alison
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Alcluith
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Mariners & Ships in Australian Waters
Lesley,
Found this on the above site but it might just be a red herring 
Mariners and ships in Australian Waters RAWLEGHOF SYDNEY, H. SINCLAIR MASTER, BURTHEN 800 TONS
FROM THE PORT OF ROCKHAMPTON TO SYDNEY, NEW SOUTH WALES, 3RD MARCH 1887 Surname Given name Station Age Of what Nation Status Comments SINCLAIR H MASTER 43 SCOTLAND CREW THORPE CHAS CHIEF OFFICER 31 DERBY CREW BUTCHARD C 2nd OFFICER 28 SYDNEY CREW RANKIN J.J. 3rd OFFICER 22 BATHURST CREW EVANS EVAN BOSUN 43 WALES CREW THOMPSON A A. B. 24 SCOTLAND CREW MOWATT W A. B. 24 SCOTLAND CREW McNICOL A.L. A. B. 23 SCOTLAND CREW SWANSEN C.A. A. B. 25 NORWAY CREW HUMPHRIES W A. B. 30 ISLE OF MAN CREW JOHNSON A A. B. 31 SWEDEN CREW McKINNON D A. B. 30 SCOTLAND CREW WILLIS GEORGE A. B. 50 ENGLAND CREW BROWN WILL CARPENTER 34 SHETLAND CREW IRVINE WM CHEIF ENGINEER 42 SCOTLAND CREW SNOWDEN A 2nd ENGINEER 29 SCOTLAND CREW McGRAW D 3rd ENGINEER 26 SCOTLAND CREW McLEAN JOHN DONKEYMAN 24 MELBOURNE CREW SHEAHER JOHN FIREMAN 23 ENGLAND CREW McLEON JOHN FIREMAN 31 LEITH CREW DARROCK JAMES FIREMAN 33 SCOTLAND CREW CASTLE FRANK FIREMAN 26 ENGLAND CREW NUTCHISON W FIREMAN 26 SCOTLAND CREW BUNDY JOHN FIREMAN 39 ENGLAND CREW THOMPSON JOHN TRIMMER 24 ENGLAND CREW SWINE ? J TRIMMER 26 SCOTLAND CREW LAWTON DANIEL TRIMMER 22 YORK CREW EDWARDS GEO A CHIEF STEWARD 32 ENGLAND CREW WILES JOHN 2nd STEWARD 24 ENGLAND CREW PHILLPOT JOHN 3rd STEWARD 25 ENGLAND CREW Mc LAREN D. 4th STEWARD 32 SCOTLAND CREW QUALY J. PANTRYMAN 24 LONDON CREW MURRAY ANGUS FC STEWARD 32 SCOTLAND CREW MESSER P.S. ? COOK 32 LONDON CREW HOOK BRYAN MR STEWARD 45 ENGLAND CREW WOOD H 1st COOK 23 SCOTLAND CREW GURNEY G. B. ? COOK 30 ENGLAND CREW LAWSON JOHN 3rd COOK 24 LIVERPOOL CREW
Also there are passengers on the Burthen in 1884 one D McNicol and in 1891 A McNicol may not be yours but worth a try no sign of auntie Janet
If you contact Mary-Anne Warner - ozmariners@ozlists.com She might be able to give you more information.
Her site is http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/ then carry out a name search.
Found this on the above site
but it might just be a red herring Mariners and ships in Australian Waters RAWLEGHOF SYDNEY, H. SINCLAIR MASTER, BURTHEN 800 TONS
FROM THE PORT OF ROCKHAMPTON TO SYDNEY, NEW SOUTH WALES, 3RD MARCH 1887 Surname Given name Station Age Of what Nation Status Comments SINCLAIR H MASTER 43 SCOTLAND CREW THORPE CHAS CHIEF OFFICER 31 DERBY CREW BUTCHARD C 2nd OFFICER 28 SYDNEY CREW RANKIN J.J. 3rd OFFICER 22 BATHURST CREW EVANS EVAN BOSUN 43 WALES CREW THOMPSON A A. B. 24 SCOTLAND CREW MOWATT W A. B. 24 SCOTLAND CREW McNICOL A.L. A. B. 23 SCOTLAND CREW SWANSEN C.A. A. B. 25 NORWAY CREW HUMPHRIES W A. B. 30 ISLE OF MAN CREW JOHNSON A A. B. 31 SWEDEN CREW McKINNON D A. B. 30 SCOTLAND CREW WILLIS GEORGE A. B. 50 ENGLAND CREW BROWN WILL CARPENTER 34 SHETLAND CREW IRVINE WM CHEIF ENGINEER 42 SCOTLAND CREW SNOWDEN A 2nd ENGINEER 29 SCOTLAND CREW McGRAW D 3rd ENGINEER 26 SCOTLAND CREW McLEAN JOHN DONKEYMAN 24 MELBOURNE CREW SHEAHER JOHN FIREMAN 23 ENGLAND CREW McLEON JOHN FIREMAN 31 LEITH CREW DARROCK JAMES FIREMAN 33 SCOTLAND CREW CASTLE FRANK FIREMAN 26 ENGLAND CREW NUTCHISON W FIREMAN 26 SCOTLAND CREW BUNDY JOHN FIREMAN 39 ENGLAND CREW THOMPSON JOHN TRIMMER 24 ENGLAND CREW SWINE ? J TRIMMER 26 SCOTLAND CREW LAWTON DANIEL TRIMMER 22 YORK CREW EDWARDS GEO A CHIEF STEWARD 32 ENGLAND CREW WILES JOHN 2nd STEWARD 24 ENGLAND CREW PHILLPOT JOHN 3rd STEWARD 25 ENGLAND CREW Mc LAREN D. 4th STEWARD 32 SCOTLAND CREW QUALY J. PANTRYMAN 24 LONDON CREW MURRAY ANGUS FC STEWARD 32 SCOTLAND CREW MESSER P.S. ? COOK 32 LONDON CREW HOOK BRYAN MR STEWARD 45 ENGLAND CREW WOOD H 1st COOK 23 SCOTLAND CREW GURNEY G. B. ? COOK 30 ENGLAND CREW LAWSON JOHN 3rd COOK 24 LIVERPOOL CREW
Also there are passengers on the Burthen in 1884 one D McNicol and in 1891 A McNicol may not be yours but worth a try no sign of auntie Janet
If you contact Mary-Anne Warner - ozmariners@ozlists.com She might be able to give you more information.
Her site is http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/ then carry out a name search.
Burns, Quinn - Glasgow, N.Ireland
McLeod, Mackay, Nicholson, McNeil - Skye
James, McLeod, Sinclair, Smith - Renton
Davidson, Adie, Gibb - Aberdeen
Jolly, Wishart - Angus
Usher - Newcastle
Mullen, Roe - Dublin
O'Donnell - Ireland, Alexandria
McLeod, Mackay, Nicholson, McNeil - Skye
James, McLeod, Sinclair, Smith - Renton
Davidson, Adie, Gibb - Aberdeen
Jolly, Wishart - Angus
Usher - Newcastle
Mullen, Roe - Dublin
O'Donnell - Ireland, Alexandria
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Alison
I've filled in my forms to request the digital images for a few likely looking McNicols so will just have to wait now and hope to goodness that they are clear-cut. I don't mind if its not them, I just would rather not have another "maybe/maybe not" record to add to the vague death at sea!
I doubt we'd need to dig up the garden in Bearsden - if there were dodgy goings-on, it was earlier than that. I've just received the disposition for the Beardsden villa (1896)and James still gives no previous address, (the cad!! - notice the great restraint here, its cost me £6 to find out ...absolutely nothing
) Just "James McNicol, House Factor in Glasgow" - why is this guy so reticent about giving his previous address? Maybe Drew's theory is correct and it is this previous address which has the remains in the cellar/garden!! We could be onto something here
Drew
I'll check out the McNicols on offer. As far as I know, neither Alexander or Daniel had a middle name, but I'm not ruling it out as a possibility. Its amazing how some people suddenly seem to acquire middle names when they marry or die which were not mentioned on their birth entries - thats happened with a few of my lot.
Off to manually trawl through a 1891 Glasgow census area tomorrow if I can fit it in...
Best wishes
Lesley
I've filled in my forms to request the digital images for a few likely looking McNicols so will just have to wait now and hope to goodness that they are clear-cut. I don't mind if its not them, I just would rather not have another "maybe/maybe not" record to add to the vague death at sea!
I doubt we'd need to dig up the garden in Bearsden - if there were dodgy goings-on, it was earlier than that. I've just received the disposition for the Beardsden villa (1896)and James still gives no previous address, (the cad!! - notice the great restraint here, its cost me £6 to find out ...absolutely nothing
) Just "James McNicol, House Factor in Glasgow" - why is this guy so reticent about giving his previous address? Maybe Drew's theory is correct and it is this previous address which has the remains in the cellar/garden!! We could be onto something here Drew
Thanks for looking. Not a site I'd used before so once I've got the hang of getting the search results down to manageable proportionsMcNICOL A.L. A. B. 23 SCOTLAND CREW
I'll check out the McNicols on offer. As far as I know, neither Alexander or Daniel had a middle name, but I'm not ruling it out as a possibility. Its amazing how some people suddenly seem to acquire middle names when they marry or die which were not mentioned on their birth entries - thats happened with a few of my lot. Off to manually trawl through a 1891 Glasgow census area tomorrow if I can fit it in...
- [-o< Hello, hello? - any McNicols out there? There has got to be someone who knows what happened to this pair (and Auntie Janet!)
Best wishes
Lesley
Researching:
Midlothian & Fife - Goalen, Lawrie, Ewart, Nimmo, Jamieson, Dick, Ballingall.
Dunbartonshire- Mcnicol, Davy, Guy, McCunn, McKenzie.
Ayrshire- Lyon, Parker, Mitchell, Fraser.
Easter Ross- McCulloch, Smith, Ross, Duff, Rose.
Midlothian & Fife - Goalen, Lawrie, Ewart, Nimmo, Jamieson, Dick, Ballingall.
Dunbartonshire- Mcnicol, Davy, Guy, McCunn, McKenzie.
Ayrshire- Lyon, Parker, Mitchell, Fraser.
Easter Ross- McCulloch, Smith, Ross, Duff, Rose.
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LesleyB
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Alison
You probably know of this site already, but I've just found it:
Australian War Memorial Roll of Honour Database
http://www.awm.gov.au/database/roh.asp
There are a number of other rolls to search, e.g.
http://www.awm.gov.au/database/nroll.asp
and .pdfs are sometimes included to view.
best wishes
Lesley
You probably know of this site already, but I've just found it:
Australian War Memorial Roll of Honour Database
http://www.awm.gov.au/database/roh.asp
There are a number of other rolls to search, e.g.
http://www.awm.gov.au/database/nroll.asp
and .pdfs are sometimes included to view.
best wishes
Lesley
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Alison Plenderleith
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