McLean James m. Catherine Black 1855 Greenock Renfrew.....

[DavidWW]

..........snipped.............Marriage Cert - James Reid and Julia McLean
April 28, 1893 at Wallace Tower Hall Ayr
James Reid Occ: Coal Miner Bachelor Age 27 123 Rankinston Looks like "Coylton" Fa: James Reid Occ: Coal Miner (Dead)
Mother: Sarah Reid M.S. Whiteside
Julia McLean Spinster 131 Smith Harbough Street Ayr
Fa: James McLean Occ: Boat Builder (Dead)
Mo: Catherine McLean M.S. Black..............

Coylton is right, - a wee place a few miles to the direct East of Ayr, in the middle of a big mining area.

And Julia's address is 131 South Harbour Street ........... probably demolished a few years ago when the area was redeveloped .....

David

[DavidWW]

That 1855 marriage register entry is invaluable since, as was the case just in 1855, it gives the exact place and date of birth of the bride and groom, from which toro will see that they can claim full blooded Highland roots from the Outer Hebrides and the Western Highlands.

Finding the family in the 1861 census is not straighforward ....... Firstly note that there were children born before and after the census in Ayr itself. However, it's only when the variant spelling, or suitable wildcards are used, that you will find the family of 35 year old boatbuilder, James MACCLAIN, but who's this he's showing as his wife? - the age is not far off, but the given name is Marion. That it's the correct family is not in doubt, with James' age, occupation, and children John, 3, and Marion, 1, both born in Ayr ................. the places of birth of James and "Marion" are a bit skew- whiff as well.........

In 1871 the surname is the more "normal" McLEAN but the family have moved away from Ayr following the death of James, - Hint: search on the basis of a 7 year old Julia ......

For James' death register entry, search between 1861 and 1871 with an appropriate year of birth +/- 1, and there's only 3 hits, one in Ayr, - but watch out, the informant "Witness" got his mother's given name wrong....

Finding James in 1851 is not going to be easy, as he could well have moved away from home by then, and could be anywhere between his place of birth, and Greenock, where he married .......

David

[DavidWW]

.........snipped.............. James McLEAN - Catherine BLACK
Marriage: 13 MAR 1855 Middle Or New Parish, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Source Information:
Batch No.: M115641 1855 - 1875

but when I searched SP for this marriage it wisnae there! But then there is one for John McLean and Catherine Black in 1855 Renfrew Greenock.
. Have you viewed this yet? Being an 1855 marriage it should state lots of intereseting data! I'd look myself but my credits have expired and I was rather hoping to give my plastic a wee rest right now .....

Best wishes
Jean

As it pantomime season, the only possible reply is "Oh yes there is ..... Middle Parish of Greenock in the County of Renfrew ...............

David

[toro]

Thank you ever so much for your prompt response. It is starting to fit together and I'll soon have enough info to go into site for certs.
I'll print it out and compare with records I already have.
i.e. Deaths of Julia McLean REID and James REID.

[JustJean]

.........snipped.............. James McLEAN - Catherine BLACK
Marriage: 13 MAR 1855 Middle Or New Parish, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Source Information:
Batch No.: M115641 1855 - 1875

but when I searched SP for this marriage it wisnae there! But then there is one for John McLean and Catherine Black in 1855 Renfrew Greenock.
. Have you viewed this yet? Being an 1855 marriage it should state lots of intereseting data! I'd look myself but my credits have expired and I was rather hoping to give my plastic a wee rest right now .....

Best wishes
Jean

As it pantomime season, the only possible reply is "Oh yes there is ..... Middle Parish of Greenock in the County of Renfrew ...............

David

Awh C'moan Dauvit....why ur ye keepin' us all in suspense!!?? Ah'm still no swiping mah plastic... [-( ....but there is a James somebody merrit to a Catherine Black....'cept it don't seem to stert wi a M and end wi a N......hmmmmm s

[Jack]

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...they can claim full blooded Highland roots from the Outer Hebrides and the Western Highlands.

Finding James in 1851 ..... could be anywhere between his place of birth, and Greenock, where he married .....
David

Davie, was James from Lochmaddy?

Ta - Jack

[DavidWW]

Jack

That's the man !!

David

[Jack]

Thanks Davie!
I can send this now....
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1851 cens 564-2 (437) Ed 45 p 11 (Greenock - Middle)
1 Manse Lane.
Roger McLEAN, head, marr, 46, labourer at coppersmith, b Lochfoil, ARL
Christina McLEAN, wife, marr, 30, ------------ b Strathlachlan, ARL
Hugh McLEAN, son, 4, ---------------- b Greenock, RFW
William McLEAN, son, 2, ---------- b Greenock, RFW
James McLEAN, lodger, u/m 26, boat builder, b Lochmaddy, North Uist, INV
Andrew KIRKWOOD, lodger, u/m 17, wood turner, b Paisley, RFW
--
Jack

[DavidWW]

Thanks Davie!
I can send this now....
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1851 cens 564-2 (437) Ed 45 p 11 (Greenock - Middle)
1 Manse Lane.
Roger McLEAN, head, marr, 46, labourer at coppersmith, b Lochfoil, ARL
Christina McLEAN, wife, marr, 30, ------------ b Strathlachlan, ARL
Hugh McLEAN, son, 4, ---------------- b Greenock, RFW
William McLEAN, son, 2, ---------- b Greenock, RFW
James McLEAN, lodger, u/m 26, boat builder, b Lochmaddy, North Uist, INV
Andrew KIRKWOOD, lodger, u/m 17, wood turner, b Paisley, RFW
--
Jack

I thought that he might turn up in the area!

David

[toro]

Thank you all so much. Greatly appreciated. What a wonderful Christmas present and also My New Year's Resolution (with all your help) might finally be kept.
Davey Excuse my ignorance - but what does "they can claim full blooded Highland roots from the Outer Hebrides and the Western Highlands" mean?
You all are just fabulous and oh so knowledgeable.