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nelmit
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Post by nelmit » Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:40 pm

karenc wrote:Hi Annette,

thanks for your kind offer to do a lookup for me

when do the poor relief records stop so that i dont waste your time with dates


Karen
Hello Karen,

Do you know I don't have a clue. I'm they've been indexed to around 1920ish.

Maybe Jack will be able to tell us more.

Kind regards,
Annette M
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AndrewP
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Post by AndrewP » Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:57 pm

According to the Mitchell Library Poor Law Archives webpage:
  • Glasgow, 1851-1948
  • Barony, 1861-1898 (when it united with Glasgow)
  • Govan, 1876-1930 (when it united with Glasgow)
  • former county councils of Bute, Dunbartonshire, Lanarkshire and Renfrewshire. Many of these applications date back to the beginning of the new poor law in 1845
--> Mitchell Library - Poor Law Archives webpage <--

All the best,

AndrewP
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Paterson ... Midlothian, West Lothian (the Calders, Dalmeny, Ratho)
Muir ... Midlothian (Ratho)
Orr, Cruickshanks, Nimmo ... Lanarkshire (Shotts / Harthill)
Downs ... Stirlingshire (Slamannan, Falkirk)
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JimM
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Post by JimM » Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:57 pm

karenc wrote: when do the poor relief records stop so that i dont waste your time with dates


Karen
Hi Karen
According to the Cooncil ... the Glasgow records go up to 1948.
But there is a closure of 75 years for adults and 100 years for children.

Jim
researching
McIntyre, Menzies, Cowley, Pearson, Copland, McCammond, Forbes, Edgar etc. in Scotland
Skinner in Northumberland
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nelmit
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Post by nelmit » Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:03 pm

JimM wrote:
karenc wrote: when do the poor relief records stop so that i dont waste your time with dates


Karen
Hi Karen
According to the Cooncil ... the Glasgow records go up to 1948.
But there is a closure of 75 years for adults and 100 years for children.

Jim
Yes I saw all that info on the website but I know they are only indexed to the 1920's so I was confused. :? (Doesn't take much).

I completely forgot about closure - thanks Jim.

Regards,
Annette M
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Jack
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Re: Help Please.

Post by Jack » Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:40 pm

Cathy wrote:1891 census: 15, Abercromby St., Calton, Glasgow. 644/04 059/04 011
Ellen Quin, Head, Widow, age 25, Washerwoman, b. Glasgow.
James Quin, Son, 6, b. Glasgow.
John Quin, Son, 3, b. Glasgow.
Thomas Quin, Son, 8 months, b. Glasgow.

1. 1897 12 December
Ellen McKenna or Quinn, Illegitimate, 226, Moncur Street, Glasgow.

2. 1900 20th March
Christina McLeod, Illegitimate, 226 Moncur Street, Glasgow.
Christina died 1901 Residence 31, Greenvale St., Glasgow.
Hi Cathy,
Do you know if John 3yrs & Thomas 8mos QUIN (ages in 1891) lived to after 1901?

Did Ellen (b.1897) survive to after 1901?

And when did wee Christina McLEOD (b.1900) die in 1901?
Was it before or after the census night of 31st March?

Ta - Jack
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Cathy
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Post by Cathy » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:51 pm

Hello Jack,

I can't find anything on John.

Thomas born 11/8/1890 15, Abercromby St.
Thomas died 9/2/1905 Govan Poorhouse.
Former Residence 28, High St., Maybole.

Ellen/Helen survived and married 1919.

Christina died 22/3/1901 Belvidere Hospital. UR 31, Greenvale St.
Cathy
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Jack
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Post by Jack » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:18 pm

Thanks Cathy,
What a pity Christina just missed the census - poor wee soul.
Do you have this census? Might be coincidence, but ages etc. fit.
Oddly i can't see an application for either of them.
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1901 census 646-2 Ed 80 p 25 (Govan)
Govan Poor House, Merryflats.
John QUIN, inmate, 13, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Thomas QUIN, inmate, 10, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
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So we know young Ellen/Helen is somewhere in 1901...!
Jack :?
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Cathy
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Post by Cathy » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:22 pm

Thanks Jack,
I didn't have that. Although I printed off a load of Quin / Mcleods
trying to match up the numbers.
Time to get the old plastic out again.
Cathy
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Cathy
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Update.

Post by Cathy » Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:36 pm

Found the birth of James.

James McKenna, Illegitimate, 45, Duke St. 11th April 1885.
Helen McKenna, Cotton yarn winder.
Cathy
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nelmit
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Wee Helen

Post by nelmit » Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:59 pm

Hello Cathy,

Still nothing on Peter I'm afraid.

I had a look at the other application Helen made in 1890 but it does not even mention Peter's name. The application was beautifully written and gives info on her siblings names. I didn't have time to transcribe it but the number is D HEW 10/4/80 page 258 if you are interested in getting a copy.

If you want the siblings' names I will get them next time.

I found a very short application for wee Helen (under the name of Helen Quin) made on 10th July 1901. It said she was born 13th July 1896 in Govan Poorhouse :? :? . Maybe this is different Helen but I don't think so.

Anyway, it stated that the child was illegitimate and separated from her mother Helen Quin who was presently in Govan Poorhouse.

Next entry was 14th June 1906 - 3/- for 5 weeks
then Dec 15th 1910 - Off working.

Not much I'm afraid but every little snippet helps I suppose.

Glad you found John and James. Their exact dates of birth are given on that other application.

Kind regards,
Annette M
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