Missing from 1901 census .....

[SarahND]

Wheew! Thanks, Paula-- I'm not completely crazy yet! I see her now, birthplace unknown, occupation unknown, in Glasgow St George

Sarah

[Currie]

Thanks Paula,

That's the one.

But after all that it looks like it turned out to be a fizzer.

Alan

[emanday]

I did EXACTLY what you said and only got 46 results. ALL of them were located in Angus This is really odd... Mary, were you able to duplicate Alan's search?

Sarah

Only just, after unchecking the "Exact Results" box.

Alan,

I like to think that "Fizzers" can be just as helpful as positive results. At least you know where NOT to look next time

One thing I did notice. If you use the Soundex facility in Ancestry it does give an idea of likely misspellings or mistranscriptions that could help with wildcard searches in SP.

[ninatoo]

My goodness, you have all been busy while I slept! Thank you for at least trying to find them! So we are agreed that so far it is only fizzers? I agree that they aren't necessarly a bad thing - at least they can be eliminated from the search!

I had a slight shock late last night...on the 1901 census, John Carroll's sister Sarah (now McCudden, living with husband Peter), born about 1870, now states she was born in ENGLAND, not Glasgow as was stated in the 1891. This is after her mother had died in 1893. I am wondering if perhaps they all came from England originally, and that might be why they never turned up in Scotland until the 1891 census (although I have never found John Carroll. I have searched the IGI for births in all parts of Britain, but again nothing showed up.

So just in case anyone wants to try to look, John Carroll senior (not sure of birth date but wife was born about 1830 and had died before 1890) had his occupation listed as a quarry labourer, a carpet weaver and a stevedore on different documents I have obtained. Not helpful, I know, as these occupations seem to differ so much from each other!

I was thinking that perhaps children John and Sarah were illegitimate and were born under Hughes, and there are a couple of possibilities at IGI, but I am getting the feeling I may never know for sure, especially if born in England.

Thanks again for the help...I love a good mystery...it would be great to crack this one!

Nina

[SarahND]

I am wondering if perhaps they all came from England originally, and that might be why they never turned up in Scotland until the 1891 census

Hi Nina,
Here's my feeble attempt, but it's late and I'm really too tired to think straight.
This one caught my eye because of the "stevedore" and daughter Sarah 5 mo old.
Only there's no John... Well, in case it proves interesting, here's the record.

1871
178 Upper Frederick St, Great George, Liverpool
John Carroll, Head, 40, Master Stevedore, born Ireland
Eliza Carroll, 34, Wife, born Ireland
Mary A Carroll, Daur, 8, Scholar, born Liverpool
Kate Carroll, Daur, 7, Scholar, born Liverpool
Bridget Carroll, Daur, 4, born Liverpool
Sarah J Carroll, Daur, 5mo, born Liverpool

I don't remember seeing a name for the wife-- or was it in another thread?

All the best,
Sarah

[ninatoo]

Wow Sarah, thanks so much for looking but I am not sure it is them, given that the mother's name was Margaret Hughes and she said she was born in Glasgow in the 1891 census..although given that her first name was written as Sarah in that instance, it was probably filled in by her son in law who may not have known all the details (I thought he may have always called her Mrs Carroll and so didn't actually know her christian name).

Her death registration states she was Margaret Carroll ms Hughes and was witnessed by the same son in law however. (Hmmm...shouldn't John or some other actual son of Margaret's have done the registration? That may point to John not being nearby when she died!)

Her son John's marriage and death registrations both state her name was Margaret, although his death registration states her maiden name was Brennan not Hughes (might have been confusion on his wife's part as Margaret's mother's maiden name was Brannigan). Confusion reigns!

Nina

[emanday]

Hi Nina,

I've got to the stage I don't automatically believe information on DC's, especially mother's maiden names, till I've had it confirmed by BC's and MC's!

I think I've mentioned before on TS that my brother-in-law failed miserably when asked what our mother's maiden name was and that my son only knows my maiden name because it is his first name! I only recently discovered that he had absolutely no idea what my mother's maiden name was or what his late father's mother's maiden name was!

My daughter knows, so why doesn't he?

[ninatoo]

Hi emanday,

Yes I am the same, I need a good few records for me to believe an ancestor's name these days.

I was also amazed that my kids didn't now my mother's maiden name but as time has gone on they have learned more because they have been subject to my genealogical ramblings, especially if there has been a good 'find'. My son doesn't have any trouble knowing my mum's maiden name these days, as his best mate has the same surname.

Margaret Hughes name was stated on her own death and the marriages of her children, so I think there is enough of a consistency there.

Nina